Do you consider it a privilege..

[RoyaltyInExile]

to be picked up by a pick-up artist, as Matador said it is on The Pick Up Artist?

I'm wondering why if women agree with him, why isn't our forum full of women who are anxious to meet us? Why are less than 1% of our forum females? According to Matador, you would think that our forum would practically be overrun with thousands of women hoping to have the privilege of one of us picking them up. We only have 5 women here though don't we?

[Tay Tay]

Why would it be a privilege? They're just like any other guy only they have better moves

[asab204]

royal- gotta run soon going to a christmas party and must get my arse in gear but just enough time to answer your question, yes it s a privilege to be picked up by a pua. Not many valueable women will see it that way though because unfortunately there are not a lot of value oriented women in our society. If they found PUA to be a privilege then yes there would be more women here but maybe some women don't want to be picked up via on line when they can go out and be picked up and not have it be creepy like at times online game can be. I happen to think that though I don't pick up men but friends whether they be men or women they should consider it a fabulous thing to be my friend and if they don't then they must have something wrong with them since pick up pertains to actual life not just the boy girl dynamic. My friends that I have know that I have quite a bit of value to give and vice versa so we just mesh. As for why not many women like I said why be online and be picked up by perhaps a weird stalker dude? when in real life you can have sexy goodlooking men such as matador pick you up.

[thach1ef]

Why would it be a privilege? They're just like any other guy only they have better moves

I asked this question to some of my female friends. They all said that 1) they never heard of a pick up artist haha and 2) that they would actually look down on it and that if that were the case, the PUA should keep quiet about it.

[thach1ef]

royal- gotta run soon going to a christmas party and must get my arse in gear but just enough time to answer your question, yes it s a privilege to be picked up by a pua. Not many valueable women will see it that way though because unfortunately there are not a lot of value oriented women in our society. If they found PUA to be a privilege then yes there would be more women here but maybe some women don't want to be picked up via on line when they can go out and be picked up and not have it be creepy like at times online game can be. I happen to think that though I don't pick up men but friends whether they be men or women they should consider it a fabulous thing to be my friend and if they don't then they must have something wrong with them since pick up pertains to actual life not just the boy girl dynamic. My friends that I have know that I have quite a bit of value to give and vice versa so we just mesh. As for why not many women like I said why be online and be picked up by perhaps a weird stalker dude? when in real life you can have sexy goodlooking men such as matador pick you up.

asab, good post :) i dont want you to think im coming at you. but i do want to comment on one thing.

i dont think this forum is meant as a place to pick up women hehe :)

[asab204]

at times it can feel that way though please believe I have had my fair share of game spit at me. I don't care to be gamed by anyone on here since we are all here for different reasons.

[Decibel]

Agree with asab, it's a privilege. And no, this isn't supposed to be a dating site, it's a forum to trade ideas about the VA. Plus, MM is about cold approach, which has nothing to do with online gaming. When I want to do online gaming, I go to plentyoffish, not a PUA forum, and I assume so do girls.

[RoyaltyInExile]

If women are really fascinated by pick up artists, where are they going to go and be able to meet as many as here? They can go out to a bar but it's not going to be full of pick up artists.

This forum wasn't designed as a place for women to come to and get picked up online by them, but if they're really under the impression that it's a privilege to be picked up by a pick up artist, if they're going to be that fascinated by the concept of pickup artists, they're not going to care about why this forum was created or what the rules are supposed to be - you wouldn't be able to stop them!

Suppose there was a forum where you were more likely to find rock stars than anywhere else on the internet, do you think that forum would only have 5 women as members of the forum?

With the popularity of The Pick Up Artist, it's no secret anymore. Women know what pick up artists are and I can't think of any place on the internet they could go where they'd be as likely to meet PUA's as right here.

[thach1ef]

Cause it's not a priviledge. I highly doubt most women think it is. In fact I would think it's the exact opposite. They would feel like they aren't getting to know the real you and that you are playing some part in a movie instead just to get in their pants.

[CrazyWilly]

If women are really fascinated by pick up artists, where are they going to go and be able to meet as many as here? They can go out to a bar but it's not going to be full of pick up artists.


A PUA is drawn to and interested in high value women. But does a high value HB have a fascination in a PUA?

I'm sure there are some female lurkers.

[azazels_wolf]

We DO have more female lurkers...

I'm going to repost something I said in another thread because it applies here:

Even if the girl KNOWS you are picking her up (which many will... they are often not as unaware as you may think) if you are calibrated, high-value, and your game is good, she will find pleasure in the process and inevitably be attracted to you and want you to continue.

One can easily think of something you enjoy as a "privilege" to experience:

dictionary.com definition #6 of privilege:

6. an advantage or source of pleasure granted to a person: "It's my privilege to be here."

[asab204]

hey guys just got back the party was smashing. I had so much fun I can't help but think that this can't really be my life though. I mean it seems like forever ago that I never went out or was invited out to go do things with or party with now I am the life of the party. sadly I had to go since I do have to go to work in the morning and they all wanted me to stay what can I say? I rock...so anyways back to the topic at hand.

honestly you won't really find lots and lots of high value women coming to this forum. why? because they most likely have already learned how to be social, like I said I never did so being on here is very educational and also tends to be fun. I have to agree with ch1ef on this one. how many women really think of PUA's as being more than trying to get in their pants? I know several women that are like OMG I wouldn't even go out with one of those people...like it's some kind of horrible virus or disease to be a PUA. but then again I know some women that would be like well I might consider it if that were to ever happen to me. so it just depends on people perceptions to PU is.

well kiddos gotta go to bed gotta get up early to go make the doughnuts.
night guys.
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[thach1ef]

hey guys just got back the party was smashing. I had so much fun I can't help but think that this can't really be my life though. I mean it seems like forever ago that I never went out or was invited out to go do things with or party with now I am the life of the party. sadly I had to go since I do have to go to work in the morning and they all wanted me to stay what can I say? I rock...so anyways back to the topic at hand.

honestly you won't really find lots and lots of high value women coming to this forum. why? because they most likely have already learned how to be social, like I said I never did so being on here is very educational and also tends to be fun. I have to agree with ch1ef on this one. how many women really think of PUA's as being more than trying to get in their pants? I know several women that are like OMG I wouldn't even go out with one of those people...like it's some kind of horrible virus or disease to be a PUA. but then again I know some women that would be like well I might consider it if that were to ever happen to me. so it just depends on people perceptions to PU is.

well kiddos gotta go to bed gotta get up early to go make the doughnuts.
night guys.
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Along the lines of what asab said. I think there are different aspects of PUA"s that are appealing.

I don't call myself a PUA. I would never call myself a PUA. Do I do the same things that you guys do when you go out. Sure do. Luckily I'm a pretty social person to begin with and have no problem talking to strangers. Maybe it's the musician in me. So there's no practicing. I don't call going up to 3 girls opening a set. I call going up to 3 girls, having a conversation with some strangers lol

Ya know what I mean?

But anyways, what I was trying to get at is that there are appealing things about someone that calls them self a PUA and there are things that are not very appealing at all. My personal opinion would be that some of the following are appealing :

- Sociable and easy to talk to
- Funny and cocky
- Confident
- Self aware
- High self esteem

Some thing that I find unappealing about people who call themselves PUAs :

- Are you talking to me just to get in my pants? Or do you want to know who I am?
- Why did you have to practice to be this person? What was wrong with the person you were?
- Is this the real you, or just an act? Are you going to "act" for the rest of your life or are you going to slowly change? Has becoming a PUA in fact changed how you think? If so, then that's better

I also feel that a lot of PUA's that I read who write posts objectify women except when it comes to sex. Why? Because they want to have sex with these same women. Also, that some of you feel you are better than women. It's weird, and maybe because I'm unfamiliar but this is the vibe I get. Feels like it comes down to :

PUA to HB10 : I'm better than you, so you should have sex with me

[azazels_wolf]

PUA to HB10 : I'm better than you, so you should have sex with me


Yeah, and that's the wrong mindset, and the wrong vibe you want to project.

Instead, the frame should be:
We are both high-value individuals and we should mutually enjoy these pleasures together.

[ScottyT.O.]

why isn't our forum full of women who are anxious to meet us?

Because the forum is full of nerds and keyboard jockeys not PUAs.

[RoyaltyInExile]

Because the forum is full of nerds and keyboard jockeys not PUAs.

Dwight, you're back?

[azazels_wolf]

LOL.
Nah, that's not Dwight.

[thach1ef]

Yeah, and that's the wrong mindset, and the wrong vibe you want to project.

Instead, the frame should be:
We are both high-value individuals and we should mutually enjoy these pleasures together.

Totally agree. I feel though that some people haven't realized this.

I think because this whole PUA attitude/lifestyle is very easily skewed whichever in 2 totally opposite directions.

You can use it to be a scumbag who just wants to pick up chicks, screw em and leave em.

Or you can use it to meet women and find someone to share your life with.

[azazels_wolf]

This forum in particular has such a vast array of people with different goals and different styles of pick-up art that they use.... so we're bound to see opinions that fall along the entire spectrum. Everybody wants something different.... but I agree that some of the mindsets we've seen do not always "leave them better than you found them." That principle is very important to keep in mind, no matter what your goal is.

[RoyaltyInExile]

This forum in particular has such a vast array of people with different goals and different styles of pick-up art that they use.... so we're bound to see opinions that fall along the entire spectrum. Everybody wants something different.... but I agree that some of the mindsets we've seen do not always "leave them better than you found them." That principle is very important to keep in mind, no matter what your goal is.

I like that motto "Leave them better than you found them."

Wolf, do you find that the techniques and styles used in pick-up should vary depending on one's goals? Or do you find that The Venusian Arts methods of approaching and the ways we try to create attraction should be the same whether we're seeking a long term relationship monogamous relationship or we're just looking for casual sex without commitment to one lover?

I'm sure than in the building comfort stage, the different intents will become somewhat apparent to a woman, but I'm just asking about the style and techniques used in the approach and attraction stage. Just for example, would the guy looking for casual sex use more negs than a guy looking for a long term relationship? I'm not trying to single out negs, but just trying to explain what I mean by varying techniques and styles according to goals.

[azazels_wolf]

Considering that the initial attraction phase passes by so quickly (often within a few minutes) the real differences are to be found in the quality, depth, and length of time given to the comfort stage.

Obviously, once you've learned how to calibrate and use negs effectively, you do not want to over-neg the target no matter what your goal is (since pissing her off or dropping her self-esteem into the mud is NOT the goal).

Those who are looking only for casual sex / one night stands (and thus not concerned with buyer's remorse later on) often spend much less time on comfort than someone who is setting the foundation for a long-term relationship. So I'd say if you want to make sure you'll be seeing her again, spend some time really forming an emotional connection and getting to know each other as human beings, without forgetting to kino escalate and maintain value, etc.

[Aries]

I don't really consider myself a Pick Up Artist. I mean, I think we as human beings are all meant to be, and born, sociallly adept. I have read The Game, but other then that, I haven't studied any "methods" to pick up girls.

I don't think anyone should refer to themselves as a Pick Up Artist outside this forum, because it's like calling myself a breathing artist. I know a method for breathing by bringing air in through my nose and out my mouth, but I don't call it an "art." It's a part of me. I breathe because that's how I live. I am social around women, because that's how I live.

I don't really call it a privilege to be "picked up" by me. I just like sharing the enjoyments that come along with being social. I like bringing life and energy to people. I'm not granting any privilege to a girl by talking to her. I'm doing it because I enjoy doing it.

[Peach]

LOL.
No I wouldn't necessarily consider it a privelege unless if your mystery or matordor.
I'm not trying to be insulting.
I think it's cool but I really don't see the privelge behind it. If anyone one thinks differently please elaborate.

In my opinion if you think it's a privlege you sound a little way to into yourself it's like you popped open a can of instant asshole.

But that's my opinion

[-TruTh-]

LOL.
No I wouldn't necessarily consider it a privelege unless if your mystery or matordor.
I'm not trying to be insulting.
I think it's cool but I really don't see the privelge behind it. If anyone one thinks differently please elaborate.

In my opinion if you think it's a privlege you sound a little way to into yourself it's like you popped open a can of instant asshole.

But that's my opinion

It is... there are so many guys with horrible goals its not even funny.... I have seen the amount of bottom feeders grabbing girls asses... or boobs at clubs and it sickens me. So I learned to seduce woman to at least show them that there are real men who are not going to view them solely as a sexual object and MAY actually like them.

Of course I set the mood for sexual connections at times but it is a shared experience... I consider it a rare occasion to be picked up by a actual Pick Up Artist because usually those are the guys who have everything else together. -- Truth

[thach1ef]

So I learned to seduce woman to at least show them that there are real men who are not going to view them solely as a sexual object and MAY actually like them.

Isn't this contradictory?

Main Entry:
se·duce Listen to the pronunciation of seduce
Function:
transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
se·duced; se·duc·ing

1 : to persuade to disobedience or disloyalty
2 : to lead astray usually by persuasion or false promises
3 : to carry out the physical seduction of : entice to sexual intercourse

The basic definition of seduction has to do with being a sexual object.

[-TruTh-]

Isn't this contradictory?

Main Entry:
se·duce Listen to the pronunciation of seduce
Function:
transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
se·duced; se·duc·ing

1 : to persuade to disobedience or disloyalty
2 : to lead astray usually by persuasion or false promises
3 : to carry out the physical seduction of : entice to sexual intercourse

The basic definition of seduction has to do with being a sexual object.


Main Entry:
se·duc·tion Listen to the pronunciation of seduction
Pronunciation:
\si-ˈdək-shən\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle French, from Late Latin seduction-, seductio, from Latin, act of leading aside, from seducere
Date:
1526

1: the act of seducing ; especially : the enticement of a person to sexual intercourse2: something that seduces : temptation3: something that attracts or charms

[Sincerelee]

As pointed out, a majority of guys studying PUA Do are not PUAs, but some day hope to be. While training, most guys try to run game on every woman they come across.

At those times, I would expect a woman to not consider it a priviledge.

But, like Peach said, a real PUA choosing you as his target, may not be a priviledge, in the sense that it is something special given to you, but more as an honor, which if your self-esteem is strong, you'll expect it, which makes it a priviledge in that it is something you get that the average woman does not get.

[thach1ef]

Main Entry:
se·duc·tion Listen to the pronunciation of seduction
Pronunciation:
\si-ˈdək-shən\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle French, from Late Latin seduction-, seductio, from Latin, act of leading aside, from seducere
Date:
1526

1: the act of seducing ; especially : the enticement of a person to sexual intercourse2: something that seduces : temptation3: something that attracts or charms


Ok, but the question still stands. The first 2 points even in your posted definition of seduction revolve around sex.

I mean in all honesty, when we talk about seduction, aren't we really talking about seduction to the point of sex? I think if it were about being charming there are an awful lot of other words that would have been chosen of seduction.

[-TruTh-]

Ok, but the question still stands. The first 2 points even in your posted definition of seduction revolve around sex.

I mean in all honesty, when we talk about seduction, aren't we really talking about seduction to the point of sex? I think if it were about being charming there are an awful lot of other words that would have been chosen of seduction.

What a man chooses to do is his own way... I use seduction as the ability to attract or charm... only if I find a woman truly impressive and worthy to me will I take it to the end game for this is not a numbers but a quality game to me.

For every guy the circumstances change and I will not judge anyone for how they use there abilities... but for me I would rather be attracted and stimulated rather then just a meaningless one night stand. -- Truth

[thach1ef]

What a man chooses to do is his own way... I use seduction as the ability to attract or charm... only if I find a woman truly impressive and worthy to me will I take it to the end game for this is not a numbers but a quality game to me.

For every guy the circumstances change and I will not judge anyone for how they use there abilities... but for me I would rather be attracted and stimulated rather then just a meaningless one night stand. -- Truth

Ok I can see what you're saying. So I guess the original question is also one based upon the guy and his choices/circumstances. All depending on the PUA's attitude and goals.

[RoyaltyInExile]

LOL.
No I wouldn't necessarily consider it a privelege unless if your mystery or matordor.
I'm not trying to be insulting.
I think it's cool but I really don't see the privelge behind it. If anyone one thinks differently please elaborate.

In my opinion if you think it's a privlege you sound a little way to into yourself it's like you popped open a can of instant asshole.

But that's my opinion

Why make the exception for two people though? Is it because they've had a TV show? Is it their fame?

I'm undecided on the answer but I believe that if the answer is yes, then it applies to all real pick up artists. I don't claim to be one but we have guys on this forum like L.A. Tripp, Hypnotica and A. Wolf who aren't famous like Mystery or Matador but have shown themselves to be just as much pickup artists as anyone else. They also take their time to give free advice to people on this forum - a quality I haven't seen from the two you named. Just because someone makes his living from being a Pick Up Artist, that doesn't exclude him from being able to post on the forum too. I don't like that they don't post on their own forum. It makes me wonder if they think they think they are too good to talk to us. A man like Wolf, I know that's not the case with him. He not only posts here, but he spends countless hours here being a moderator and does it strictly as a volunteer. I find that impressive.

[-TruTh-]

Ok I can see what you're saying. So I guess the original question is also one based upon the guy and his choices/circumstances. All depending on the PUA's attitude and goals.

Exactly Seduction in full form can even be the ability to seduce people in general it isn't always about sex but it is mostly associated with sexual themes.

Seductive charm is what i was implying lol -- truth

[Sincerelee]

A real PUA choosing you as his target, may not be a priviledge, in the sense that it is something special given to you, but more as an honor, which if your self-esteem is strong, you'll expect it, which makes it a priviledge in that it is something you get that the average woman does not get.

Exactly...

[delphim]

A privilege?
It is and it isn't - you see, it depends....
Let's remember, this is a game - take tennis for instance...it's a privilege for a beginner to play with the tennis pro and learn, or have some fun and entertainment, an experience if you will....
but if a true Pick Up Artist, and I mean true - comes across a Red Queen, then who is the privileged one? At this point, it becomes a delicious dance of two equals, mutually enjoying the play - like a tournament where both can win!
;)

[-TruTh-]

A privilege?
It is and it isn't - you see, it depends....
Let's remember, this is a game - take tennis for instance...it's a privilege for a beginner to play with the tennis pro and learn, or have some fun and entertainment, an experience if you will....
but if a true Pick Up Artist, and I mean true - comes across a Red Queen, then who is the privileged one? At this point, it becomes a delicious dance of two equals, mutually enjoying the play - like a tournament where both can win!
;)

Well someone agrees with me Lmao -- Truth