Project Toronto

[Solitaire]

There has been much talk in the group I belong to. I am sure other lairs, groups etc have had the thought also:

A Project Toronto

It's a fairly simple idea: 4+ guys, renting a house/mansion/pad as a base for the pickup community. Hosting parties, workshops, and generally being a resource that everyone can benefit from.

Many people (myself included) have shown a willingness to be a part of this. From looking for places, to offering to rent, and hosting the workshops. I admire everyones enthusiasm for this project, it is a very worthwhile endeavor.

But there is only one problem:

Who will play teacher, father, adviser, and master in seduction to us young men? The only MPUA/PUG I know is Mystery, and as you know, besides his workshop last week, he hasn't been to Toronto in FOREVER. We NEED a person who can lead us (at least in the beginning) and direct us in our studies. Without this, we are just a bunch of horny guys, trying to randomly pick up chicks by living in a house full of guys...

So spread the word! I know there HAS to be a MPUA/proven pickup artist who has the balls, and the AMBITION to become a leader for us. This is a project that will turn Chumps into seduction artists, and pickup artists into masters...

and for one lucky guy, a Master into a GURU. $$

[Vernon]

What liar/group do you belong to?
Who is currently leading your group?
Do really want to recruit a 'leader' or would you rather raise an organic leader through your own ranks?
What PU system does your group currently subscribe to?

[Solitaire]

Currently we are a group of around 50 guys on facebook. So far, we are democratic, with Paolo de Petta being the action man.

Leader would be better, like I said...none of us are MPUA guys. WE need not just a leader, but a real pick up arist

They use whatever works. I personally use Mysteries M3 Model, with whatever else works thrown in for the situation (cocky/funny, situational openers, alpha tactics etc)

I don't want to be seen as a part of any group. I merely look at my options, and take advantage of whatever perks there are...while giving whatever I have to offer. I went out with some guys over the last weekend, and was not too impressed. No game..others were ok, and 2 guys I met were dicks, with ok game..waaaay to overconfident. Oh, and did I mention elitist dicks?

[relics]

There an age limit?

[Vernon]

I know of a guy named Snow that runs weekly meetings in downtown Toronto. I cannot vouch for the quality of his PU skills, nor can I comment on his leadership abilities, as I have yet to attend his meetings. However, I have heard that he is good.

There are a number of MPUAs in the city, however, they are all affiliated with PU companies. My only suggestion to you is to have 4 or 5 guys from your group start the Project and master your PU skills. You guys become the leaders. I can tell you from experience that AFC guys will start to ask you how the heck you are pulling so well. You will begin to create a group of followers/students that will quickly gravitate to the Project.

I'm in the city. Let me know if there is anything that I can do to help.

[Solitaire]

Thank you vernon. I understand what you are saying completely. I also disagree, completely. having somebody with good skills will increase OUR skills dramatically, as well as lend credability INSTANTLY. Not only that, but you know this guy is going to be running shit from PTO, on top of the parties, rooms, etc we'll have.

So far, Neil Strauss has sent my request along to his coaches. A nice guy dropped me some names: Tenmagnet, Extramask, and somebody people HERE should have heard of....anybody know a Frank B Kermit?

I'm getting lots of heat on some of the forums/spots I post. Stirring up shit is what I do best. Lets me know that people have some fire for or against this....in the end, it doesn't matter. It will happen if I have to do it alone.

[Solitaire]

I'm in North bay, and if your on some of the *ahem* "Other" forums, you'll know exactely whats happening:

I'm selling all I own, and moving down to Toronto to kick some ass into making this happen.

You would also know, that Mystery Method asked for my #, and are going to be calling me about sending some instructors who want to come here.

Oh, and you'd also know I've been talking with Frank B Kermit, Extramask, and a few other well known local guys who don't want to move in, but are COMMITTED TO BEING INVOLVED IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN by teaching, doing workshops, and generally sharing with our community.

"Not bad for a days work. Imagine what I could do with 7" -Bruce Almighty

(Note that they all are not pledging the same amount of support or interest, but everyone has agreed to contribute in some way)

[BoyScout]

hi Solitaire,

I forwarded your Project Toronto info onto McMaax who has his own
company in Toronto. I'm sure you can find his site.

despite the "7 point" model stuff on his site, he's pretty much a MM guy
all the way.

his strong points are definitely mall game, and AMOGing which I believe
he learned personally from TD.

Best,

-BS

[h2flow]

all sounds good to me guys, be sure to keep me updated =]

[Solitaire]

Hahhaa, BoyScout...I love your initials

Yeah man, siunds good, lets do it...

-BS

[A.M.]

this sure does sound promising, keep us updated

[Johnny Soporno]

Who will play teacher, father, adviser, and master in seduction to us young men?

I could certainly mentor you all, and I'd be happy to - but I couldn't live with you in the place - I wouldn't leave Casa Soporno... and I couldn't bring all my girlies around, because wannabe PUAs are the ultimate turnoff to women of substance & quality.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy & Lifestyle Guru

[Solitaire]

Oh, I totally understand Johnny, and thank you for your offer. Attraction is a choice...if one of your girls was interested in me, I'm sure she would make it known.

[Johnny Soporno]

Oh, I totally understand Johnny, and thank you for your offer.

It wasn't so much an offer as a statement of disqualification - I don't mind helping you guys out, but I wouldn't consider being a live-in mentor.


Attraction is a choice... if one of your girls was interested in me, I'm sure she would make it known.

I don't believe attraction is a choice, but ALL my girls know how to get the guys they are interested in into bed :) You'd know it FOR SURE, there would be no room for doubt.

http://www.SatansSchool.com - be sure and click ON the first picture, so you can read the captions.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[Solitaire]

Duly noted Johnny

PS, I meant to say "Acting on attraction is a choice"

I'm well aware your girls are very "empowered" to make their own decisions. Then again, why train the pup when you get the real dog for free? :D

[Solitaire]

I've managed to meet over 30 members of the community now. Sarging, winging, helping on dates etc. Got myself a nice indian girl the night before last, so my game is definately improving.

Keep it up guys, I got to go!

[Zen Master]

I know of a guy named Snow that runs weekly meetings in downtown Toronto. I cannot vouch for the quality of his PU skills, nor can I comment on his leadership abilities, as I have yet to attend his meetings. However, I have heard that he is good.

he's way too good, and he could teach you a lot... but he'd never live in with you either (probably due to the same reason Johnny mentioned)

I forwarded your Project Toronto info onto McMaax who has his own company in Toronto. I'm sure you can find his site.

despite the "7 point" model stuff on his site, he's pretty much a MM guy
all the way.

his strong points are definitely mall game, and AMOGing which I believe
he learned personally from TD.

oh God... no comment.

I could certainly mentor you all, and I'd be happy to - but I couldn't live with you in the place - I wouldn't leave Casa Soporno... and I couldn't bring all my girlies around, because wannabe PUAs are the ultimate turnoff to women of substance & quality.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy & Lifestyle Guru

Hey Johnny! :D :D

[Solitaire]

Hello again Zen, you sure know how to make an appearence. Athough I appreciate your "help" I have enough people who have more positive and DIRECT contact with me to get it from.

I'm still doing good people, but having a hard time finding a place. Anybody need a roommate? I just got paid.

[Zen Master]

Hello again Zen, you sure know how to make an appearence. Athough I appreciate your "help" I have enough people who have more positive and DIRECT contact with me to get it from.

Oh, right, I forgot... don't offer advice and wisdom to those who aren't ready to hear it, even if it means saving them a lot of valuable time and pointing them in the right direction (or rather, away from the wrong one).

I guess you'll have to learn some things the hard way :D

Good luck, though...

[Solitaire]

I love learning things the hard way, it's called forced growth.

After the many bad things I have heard about snow, I am not willing to have any financial involvement with the guy. But I am open to meeting anybody once.

[Zen Master]

I love learning things the hard way, it's called forced growth.

After the many bad things I have heard about snow, I am not willing to have any financial involvement with the guy. But I am open to meeting anybody once.

Nobody suggested to you to have any financial involvement with him either... ;)

For pure skills, he's untouchable, and most of the PUAs in this city will confirm that without a doubt.

Not like I'm affiliated with him in any way, shape or form, but seeing that you're looking for guys who can "talk" to girls and whatnot, you might wanna look into getting ahold of Snow... not sure if he'll give you the time of the day, but from hanging out with him for months, I can tell you that he's the most lethal (and most secret) weapons this city has, including most of the guys you've met already ;)

You could learn a lot from him.

[Solitaire]

Met a cool guy a few days ago, been out with him twice. Getting much better ato working high class venues, 8-10's. Got ahold of McMaax...hmm...sales pitched me hardcore, totally a turnoff.

Stole a girl from her girlfriend by accident, makeout, then bathroom pull...just light fooling around. Too bad though, she was cute.

[Johnny Soporno]

For pure skills, [Snow]'s untouchable, and most of the PUAs in this city will confirm that without a doubt.

You could learn a lot from him.

Snow is extremely slick, and presents himself well; he is comfortable in his game, and doesn't come off as even-slightly creepy; and he knows how to inspire confidence in men & women.

He's a consumate salesman, knows how to control a frame faultlessly, and turns people's objections into fuel for forward progress, time and again.

Aside from his penchant for alchohol, I can't speak of anything negative about the man, from first-hand experience.

Johnny Soporno
Hey Zen ;)

[Solitaire]

Hi Johnny! Nice to see you my friend, thanks for the milkshake. I've try not to get it all over my face next time :D

Zen Master, you make a good point. Whether or not Snow gives me the time of day or not is irrelevant though. I have met more then enough people to start me off. As I gain a reputation, my "action" speaks louder then "talking" :p .

For anybody else who has yet to contact me, don't be shy. I've been out with many people, trust me.....your not the only one who chokes up, gets blown out, or hears "Let's just be friends".

Just try not to come into my set when I'm working it. The last guy screwed me for 2 8's I was about to bounce. Needless to say, I recovered....another 8 just walked up and GAVE me her number, and said "Your cologne smells yummy"

Hmm...

[relics]

lmao was it badboy?

[Solitaire]

hahahaha, no, Badboy wouldn't do that. It was a guy who contacted me that night and we met at Ultra...not bad, but WAAAAAY uncalibrated with physical touching.