Gaming Hired Guns - Clerks?

[Cochise]

New to the forum and though I do alright with the MM (hits and misses) I cant ever seem to succeed when it comes to gaming clerks or store employees. It seems like theres no time or I have to work too fast and I stumble with what to say, or I rush. You cant really number close when you have 3 mins to work so I wonder does this need to be done in multiple trips or what?

Example. Best Buy... Ive hit on the check out girls and some have hit on me and we talk about the product Im buying (DVD, 'oh thats a great show' etc) but I dont number close cause it seems to soon. However waiting for another opportunity is tough cause I dont buy alot of stuff so than what? Shes the check out clerk! lol. Any PUAs here have a good game or set I can run with a short time limit?

*Can a mod edit my title typo, should say Gaming

[Cochise]

Looks like I stumped the MPuas!

[-TruTh-]

Looks like I stumped the MPuas!

Ok allow me to answer this question with as much detail for your current needs as possible.

Ok while in a store enviroment it is very hard to distinguish yourself from every average joe rolling into the joint and believe me when she has heard her fair share of lines used Lol.

usually girls working are easier to hit a conversation up because for the simple fact that they must be social because there job depends on it. So how to get there digits is porbably what you are aiming for. Oh and by the way 5mins is all it takes to get ANY girls number or at least something similar.

OK so you already have flirted with her blah blah blah about some useless DVD project that really doesn't matter because all you are thinking about is how do I pick you the fuck up right.? its simple its one line and its very VERY direct.

You say something along the lines of. "My you have a interesting energy about you something not many people have and it took a few to realise it... I mean I understand your working and I will be out of your hair in just a second but WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO STAY IN CONTACT WITH YOU?

You aren't asking for her number... and the first rule of thumb if she accepts to stay in contact that is a ioi right there... meaning she is giving you a opportunity... also if she doesn't give you her cell take the EMAIL, FACEBOOK, MYSPACE wtf ever she offers take it... then Lightly push for the number if not you still have some way to DHV yourself into a Day2.

There ya go. I got a few tricks for Strippers if interested. -- Truth

[Feynman]

I will point out that some girls can't give out their number. I was at the drug store and one of girls said "I'd love to give you my number but I can't, I'll get in trouble. But I'll be at [bar x] tonight". I later found out that she had a boyfriend, which is BS, but whatever.

I think trying to game a girl in the checkout line is going to be quick, especially if it's busy. If she's working at a customer service desk, stocking product, or there to help customers then that is a much easier problem. Also, if you go to the store and have seen her a few times before, it might help as there is a sense of familiarity. I personally don't go shopping at a store like Best Buy except for special occassions where I really need something fast.

Without hovering, wait until she's on break. It's too much to ask to try and get a girls number in two minutes while she's working. The only way is to be completely direct and straight to the point as Truth says. I hope she finds you attractive because you won't have DHV stories or other things to get her interested in that time frame.

I'm far from an MPUA. But don't think you can stump us guys that easily.

[elansingguy]

well, to me, the first mistake you made was you hit on them, women of great beauty get hit on all the time by guys and you're setting yourself up as being "just another guy hitting on her" it's not going to work. Second mistake, you talked about DVDs?????????, why talk to her about stuff that pertains to her job, never talk to them about stuff that pertains to their job, you're going to appear as another customer, talk about stuff that DOESN'T pertain to their job, it will get them out of their "job mode", you want to talk to them like a regular person. I just got the number of a 9 hired gun at the mall yesterday, being a fun confident guy following this method, and she couldn't keep her hands off of me and she didn't want me to leave

[Cochise]

Haha. The stumping was all in jest :) Awesome replies guys. Thanks for the great detail Truth.

Actually, the girl I want to talk too I havent conversed with at all. With the talking about DVDs/CDs, I use to ask something like, "Do you reccomend this blah blah blah" but Since starting the MM I have not hit on a clerk girl yet and dont intend on using that AFC routine.

Now my AFC routine did work once on a HB9. She worked at Circuit City and I asked for her info so she printed out a blank receipt and wrote it on that. It was all for naught though as it came out later she had a boyfriend. We did become friends though and now that guy is her fiancee.

[hobblehobble]

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[Amber Nectar]

Quick note here. I work in a bar/club....it's hard to get "our" attention do to all the things going on at once...plus, we are working, so it's about speed, paying attention to our tables, customers, etc. The Boss making sure we are doing what's right......etc. "I can't give you my number because I'm at work." This line is a SHIT Test....sorry to break it to ya fellas. I have yet to go out with a guy that has tried to pick me up at work....but I'm tough.

[ziggazigah]

how long of a line are we talking here

[azazels_wolf]

There are also certain employment situations in which the management expressly forbids their employees from flirting and/or giving out phone numbers to customers. If a girl under these circumstances values her job, she will choose her job over you. Yes it can be a shit test.... sometimes it's also a matter of being on camera and needing a paycheck.

[-TruTh-]

There are also certain employment situations in which the management expressly forbids their employees from flirting and/or giving out phone numbers to customers. If a girl under these circumstances values her job, she will choose her job over you. Yes it can be a shit test.... sometimes it's also a matter of being on camera and needing a paycheck.

This is also why you apologize for flirting and saying something like this if you really want to push the number

"Look I know your working and I don't want you to lose your job... but what is the best way to stay in contact with you?"

If they give a email or facebook or Myspace TAKE IT NEVER REFUSE CONTACT INFO. -- Truth

[Thaumaturgist]

hmm.... what are some examples of locations where girls are not allowed to give out their numbers? I would think maybe hooters or some place like that..

Honestly, I can't think of any major retail, restaurant, bank chains that would do that... except I know on some cruise ships they don't allow socializing with the guests......

If a girl wants to give you her number... I think she'd figure out a way to spare her job...:cool:




-Thau

[Cochise]

Alright Ive had somewhat success with my routine but I feel it needs fine tuning as I sometimes stumble or freeze with "what do I do next?"

1 - direct opener random question, not related to work
2 - opener leaves opportnity for false time and neg
3 - DHV funny story

The problem is after this, do I continue with the direct opener topic, go for the # close, or string another topic?

Ive used truths closer and it does okay but a few shut outs, so Im thinking Im asking too early or maybe wait till I visit another time.

Suggestions?

[Kevin Feng]

Stumped me, never tried running game on a best buy clerk, haha, sure it works just as well though, I used to work there and the girls didn't really seem to get hit on that much.

[Cochise]

Hey man, saw ya on the show you were great, really. I thought off the bat (with the mind set that the show is rigged) that you were a ringer.

I havent been to Best Buy since the thread was originaly done. Havent had nothing to buy. Thats the biggest hiderance. I think Id have to buy at one than return the item at another haha.

[Firepower]

I used to work there and the girls didn't really seem to get hit on that much.why didn't they get hit on?

[panda303]

girls don't get hit on much at best buy because of the time constraints or it's a kinda nerdy (said lovingly) environment. most naturals or afcs will ignore it.

in a lot of strip clubs it is SUPER forbidden to give out a number. i've done it a few times but it was a lbjf situation, but still, they found a way to give it to me. and at least i have stripper arm candy pivots when i need it.

and i'm working on hired gun theory. it's a fine line between cocky/funny and straight douche at a bar. i've worked at a few and seen it all. i theorize that not leaning on the bar, but not body rocking (they will ignore you and move on), and super super playful negs (bartenders are stressed out or bored, they will appreciate something to make them laugh or smile)

side question for amber nectar: does over tipping come off as trying too hard? i tend to just because of my service background

[Amber Nectar]

Oh my god, we love 20% tips or more! Try hard, more like, wow, this guy knows I'm busting my ass, and he sees it, and he is handing me some extra money, awesome! Thanks dude. I'm very thankful for big tips. And I’m grateful and always say thankyou. It helps since I get stiffed allot!

The economy is shit....I just wonder what people are thinking when they are going out, if you can't afford it, drink at home. It's pretty embarrassing when guys are hitting on me, and they are shitty tippers, the dude/s is/are OUT! End of story. I've had guys hit on me, chat me up, ask for my number, and in the end the tip is mediocre, the dude is crossed off my list forever and I will not call him!!!!
And yes, I tip well too, because I'm in the industry.

[genesis 13]

Ok amber im new on this and few weeks ago a hb9 whos bartender start talking to me cuz the bar just opened so me and another 4 guy were there so she came ask my name while she was puting some hand lotion so i asked her if i can get some ,then she just grab my hand and start puting the lotion on ,and i said ''wow you have manly hands" i stuck some material and she started to talk again about her hands " and i said again :yeah you do but she went to the another side where the another 3 guys were standing and said :he just told me that i have manly hands " of corsethe guys said no you have the most beatuful hands ever after that i felt uncomfortable and i left DO YOU THINK IT WAS A BIG DEAL , AND WHAT CAN I DO IN THOSE CASES?

[Amber Nectar]

Hey Genesis 13,

I know from working with my hands as a hired gun, we constantly are getting our hands wet, and were constantly (well, I am) washing them, so of course they get really dry. Bartenders are dealing with tons of liquors, which spill onto our hands; moisture is constantly getting sucked from our hands because we are using them. Hence the hand lotion. I bring mine to work with me. It's crazy because men love my body, they say it's incredibly soft, but my hands are the driest thing on me.

She is self conscious of it, that's why she had the hand lotion. We wanna be feminine, so when a guy tells us our hands are masculine, we're gonna be upset about it. I do think it was a big deal. Us women can be sensitive, especially if we are aware of our imperfections and a guy says something about it. Just take a few moments and think before you speak. Oh well, next time. :)

[Tankpua]

I like truth's approach, I will try it in a few locations and give my feild report by the weeks end,
Tank

Everyday above ground is a Good Day!

[Von_Halen]

Yeah, another problem i find, is something someone mentioned above, about them HAVING to be nice. you need to state intentions right away. I like to come in under the radar real quick, with a simple "Excuse me, do you work here?" If they say yes, then go "aww dammit"... or something. Make it dramatic enough to the point where they'll say "Why?", but not too dramatic so you come off as a tool. Then you can either go direct so she knows your intentions, such as "Well... it seems all of the cute girls i see are employees, so while i'm trying to talk to them, they're trying to sell me pantyhose, a new car and fourteen baby muskrats" or some funny stuff like that. I like to throw in "I bet you don't even sell ice cream here, but you'd find a way to sell me some anywayz". Or you could go indirect and be like "well, I want an opinion on this shirt but i know you'll be biased". Thing is, I prefer direct in this situation, that way if she still continues conversation you know she's interested and can go from there. And if she doesn't work here, you can still use the same lines, indirectly or directly. "Oh good, cuz most cute girls work here, and while i'm...... yada yada yada", or "well i need an opinion on this shirt". If anyone runs this in game, please lemme know through a private mssage or somethin, cuz I wanna know outside tests on my idea. thanks :D

[Rogue Casanova]

I think ppl are forgetting the obvious things that get you the number in the first place non verbal cues (body language, speaking in a breaking rapport type of manner, strong eye contact, vocal tonality, and not giving a shit about what she has to say like u treat her like she has to work to get u not the other way around, and being congruent with what you put out.)

[Cochise]

From what Ive tested and done. It is near impossible to game clerks on one visit. You need at least 2, at most 3. Time is to short to build correct comfort. Ive learned that with a good A1 and some A2 they will easily remember you for a second visit. Also instead on a number close, a time bridge may work kbest. Just have a reason for being there.

Feel free to debate this :)

[Amber Nectar]

correct! ;)

[Cochise]

Well you should have told me before making me find out the long/hard way ;)

Still debating on Negs. Really necessary; or just too cocky and time wasting? Ive found the best are stuff in teeth, lint, as opposed to youre too nice and too bad youre not my type to be stupid since a bit more direct is better.