Eye Contact When Approaching?

[Spinstorm]

Just starting off in Day Game I noticed something today that didn't really occur to me before today.

When I see a girl coming in my direction during the day I am now looking at them to decide if I should approach.

So far all that I have managed to do is watch them walk past me then be annoyed I didn't open them BUT I realised that I am doing something most guys don't do by intending to approach them...

I have eye contact up until the last momment. I am watching to see if they are attractive enough to stop and basically that means I am looking at the girls face as they get closer to me and today I noticed that they actually look back at me!

Normal AFC behaviour is to see a girl coming towards you and as they get close to you to look away as your too shy to let her see you looking at her but I am not doing that now.

So my questions is:

- Is that eye contact a good thing or bad?

- What do the women/girls think as I walk towards them looking at them?

- As seems to be the case they always return my eye contact... so is that a sign to open or something else?

I have not done enough day game so I hope that those with experience can clarify for me? Maybe I should be looking away when I am moving towards them?

(I am aware that the technique to stop a set moving towards you seems to be to let them walk past then turn around and catch up and firmly touch their arm and say "excuse me" but there is no mention of eye contact!

Also this seems much more difficult that just touching a girl as she walks past and saying excuse me... I find it hard to imagine how it works as if the girl is moving quickly its going to require very fast reactions!).

[-TruTh-]

Yes finally someone brought this up.

Eye contact is a sign of confidence... if you LOCK eyes she is possible interested... if she looks away quickly she could be shy... and if she gives a FU look that is a shit test or possible GTFA from me look.

If you LOCK your eyes for more then 3 seconds approach don't even think about it just go in because she invested her time to look at you...

When you LOCK eyes smile at her and if she smiles back that is a ioi and possible a sign of a invitation... -- Truth

[Incy]

Noone keeps eye contact with me ! They all look away when I look at them! Am I THAT HOT AND INTIMIDATING??

[subi]

I think everyone should read these posts: http://www.fastseduction.com/youarenew/eyecontact.shtml

[kruzer]

dont open a woman that walks towards you

[furiocrombi]

i spent my spart time walking through collages and down the streets for a couple weeks and noted that the average person trys to act buisy.

i think its either because they think they're acting smooth by pretending not to notice you or they dont want to intimidate you by invading your personal space and staring you down.

i started by staring people down and quickly found that everyone looked away as if they had somthing better to do or lost interest. i talked it over, some friends said it seemed people tried to look away at anything else even a blank wall. i found this to be true.
any ideas?

as for day game try and incorporate the fade back. when you meet eyes with your girl slightly shift your head and torso back. as if youwere 'taken back' by seeing her. works best when you catch her checking you. the hardest part is doing it before she looks away and pretends shes not interrested. fuck that kills me.

correct me if im wrong but do people, mainly guys look away from a woman to demonstrate higher value? granted this is mainly an AFC thing.

[kruzer]

eye contact shows confidents but like in the middle of a set you can say your loosing me here you guys and look away

[Spinstorm]

Just to clear the confusion I am talking about day game.

In particular DIRECT day game. That means stopping a girl or girls on the street and opening them with a compliment of some sort. The idea behind this is that when walking down a street or in a mall there is no way to stop a girl indirectly.

By opening direct you show your interest immediately and if the girl stays and talks she is interested in you and you can set a day 2 up assuming you game her rightly after the opener.

I am talking about eye contact when approaching a girl to open her that is moving towards me.

I have had lots of different answers.

The fast seduction link suggests that if you keep eye contact the girl may even open you or smile giving you a clear indication to open. I know one day game instructor has suggested to me that a quick look is ok but we should not be staring at her as it may alarm her and its better to let her walk past then turn around and catch up and open her.

I was hoping for a definate answer here but I am not getting it!

[Midnight Tornado]

Dude always make eye contact, What i do is when i make eye contact i hold it and let her break eye contact first, when she does i go in for the opener. I cant remember where i read this but if she looks down to break eye contact she feels attracted, and it's game on. If she looks up or to the side she probably doesnt have any physical interest in you, but i dont care i might still open but im less likely to since the chances of me closing are lower. Also make sure you have good body language cause i noticed that the better your body language the higher your chances of her looking down than looking up, or to the side (even if you're and less than ok looking guy like me. i personally rely on my style to make up for my looks)

[Feynman]

Eye contact is important. It's alpha. Don't flinch or look away. I remember doing that as a total AFC. I'd look at a cute girl and if I thought she was going to look at me, looking at her, then I'd turn my head making it all the more obvious what I was doing in the first place.

Too much eye contact, or staring, can come off as creepy, but initiating and receiving eye contact back is important and can help to open a set.

It could be something even as simple as, "You know, you look REALLY familiar, but I just can't place it"....come up with whatever you want after that. Say "Do you work at Stripclub X" or "are you the girl that always flirts with me in the [input current location]".

I advocate eye contact, as opposed to not having it. Just don't be too obvious, as remember that strong eye contact can often be an IOI and you don't want to give too much value until you've received some back.

[sunfirester]

im pretty sure both David DeAngelo and Mystery said that u should keep eye contact and let the girl break it first, and i deff agree. if u break eye contact they just see u as a pussy, and wont consider u as an optional mate. what i like to do is get a good eye contact with her, than walk up to her and say "are u gonna talk to me or just keep hitting on me with ur eyes?" i think i got that from keys to the VIP but i may be wrong. u can also say "stripping me with ur eyes" but that may be too strong.

[DateDemon]

dont open a woman that walks towards you

That's ridiculous, opening a girl walking towards you is great. Why would you ever rule out this option?

Eye contact is important, if you can lock eyes with them as they are coming towards you then do it! and maintain eye contact and smiling helps! If she breaks eye contact you can break your eye contact but then connect eyes again. Keep eye contact until she breaks it or until you have opened her.

[Wozo]

Fuck fuck fuck. Im in the train right now. HB10 looked me straight in the eyes. I looked away on the 2nd second. Fuck have i lost her now? They are sitting really close. answer is needed fast :p

[Wozo]

Aaaaand now she's asleep :p

[Infamy]

Some really helpful stuff here, was thinking the same thing over in my head for the past few days. So thanks for the tips folks, quick question, does what has been explained in the above posts also apply to the work enviroment?

[RoCKoNoVA]

yea maintaining eye contact comfortably is definitely a good gauge on where you are with your confidence.

I remember I use to have a hard time looking at people in the eye cause it just felt uncomfortable.

Now I do my best to listen, smile, and respond while maintaining eye contact.

Like everything else, it just takes practice.

[CaptainGimpy]

dude, when I'm rolling down the street or wherever i am, people are always checking me out, the chair opens sets... It's awesome! It works especially well when an HB is walking toward me, I can then frame it like she wants to hit on me. :) So they're just as prime ;)

[Bryan Jason]

Eye contact show confidence dont get me wrong, but it gives them IOI automaticly even though u dont know them, so we dont want that. I did a field test at the mall. these two HBs was about to pass us, they where walking targets. I told my wing to not look at them at all then later on we can position our self for an opener. by not looking at them, it creates a neg, cause if they are HBs there expecting people to look at them. so anyway we position ourselves for the opener now that their Bitch sheild is down. Its all down hill from there. all we had to do was throw in the slimples opener in the game! "did u see the fight outside?" ha! game on!

[ThePlayBook]

Eye contact show confidence dont get me wrong, but it gives them IOI automaticly even though u dont know them, so we dont want that. I did a field test at the mall. these two HBs was about to pass us, they where walking targets. I told my wing to not look at them at all then later on we can position our self for an opener. by not looking at them, it creates a neg, cause if they are HBs there expecting people to look at them. so anyway we position ourselves for the opener now that their Bitch sheild is down. Its all down hill from there. all we had to do was throw in the slimples opener in the game! "did u see the fight outside?" ha! game on!

Does eye contact not show interest if its under the proper scope(held, and not just a glance)? If some guy is checking out a girl in public, she catches his eye for a reason, and of course that's followed by the intent of wishing to talk to them and interest. Is this not the same if some girl is checking out some guy? I know I would not be glancing at random girls and just staring at all of them regularly...I mean do we not focus on the ones that are the most attractive to our taste?

Keep in mind its all controlled via the mind of where your looking unless of course one has a lazy eye haha :D

The snooty/HBs typically just look forward and gather all the looks they want...so staring at them in hopes of catching their eyes probably wont happen unless you have a $100 bill hanging out of your zipper...in essence they are playing on home turf and your the visitor... if a girl wants to be like that then let her, Im not the one to drop 300% effort when a girl cannot even give me simple eye contact in the first place....obviously not within her scope or taste.

[godsgift87]

after holding solid eye contact for a few seconds i thought about opening with something like "dont you know its impolite to stare =)" (sort of ironic since you were too. or if your just standing around and shes with a friend, maybe open the friend and say "hey your friend here has a real staring problem" ...i havent tried it in the field yet but i want some input on those..

[Rage]

Here is the deal, after u looked at her (u conveyed some interest) , and so did she (she just conveyed an IOI) u have 3 seconds to approach. If u don't, after that time your value decreases every second as a guy who has no balls. This is important principle to keep in mind if u r to convey u have guts. :)

[AFC Ajax]

Please guys, stop directly applying club game theory to day game. This is the Daygame forum section, isn´t it?

Open, always. Who cares about the 3 seconds rule during the day. Who cares about eye contact. Often I see a girl, and purposely let her walk ahead of me, to give her a head start(lmao). Then I sprint after her, and proceed with a direct opener, something along the line, I saw you there and my legs just starting running after you. I had to tell you you look stunning. My name is AFC Ajax. Banter/make her laugh, attract, qualify and comfort, jizz it up with some fluff talk, at which you should become real good. Cool people often talk about nothing really, but theyre skilled at it.