Building Social Proof at University

[NtinosDJ]

Thought i'd get this topic up as soon as possible and get advice/opinions/help with this since it is important.

I've been at University (studying Computer Engineering) for two and half years now, and the last half year I've been messing with so much pickup/seduction/attraction material that it has really had a great impact on my social life. I entered University as a total AFC (I guess WBAFC would be the correct way to put it), my mind being so messed up by computers/science and conservative beliefs that even finding friends was way too difficult for me (and this still remains like this to an extent).

So ever since I came in contact with all this material, I decided I needed to build more social proof at University, become more active, socialise, even sharpen my pu skills. I'm trying to make a formulae for this, my own set of principles on how to improve your social image at University, which is what I need help with.

First of all, I'm trying to determine whether "University Reputation" (like High School reputation) is an existent thing or not. I've gamed a girl at uni, resulting in a total C&B since I was only learning at that point, and I've been trying to determine whether this has an impact on the way the other girls view you at University or not (not counting the effects from the confidence blow, which are expressed via subtle cues in you).

Also, what I have been thinking about is that in order to project a better social image at university, I needed to be more 'independent'. As an afc I was far too clingy on hanging out with just my (afc) friends, which seemed to have a terrible blow on building a social circle (not to mention the terrible deal of amoging from such clingy behaviour).

Let's make this the University/College thread. I'd like your opinions here... :)

[RobLaughter]

I've found that my reputation often precedes me wherever I go on campus. Often, if I introduce myself with only my first name, I get "Rob? Rob Laughter?" Why yes, miss... :-P

I'm sort of a minor celebrity on campus to the extent that nearly everyone knows OF me or has seen me before since I perform a lot around campus and all my friends wear Rob Laughter Magic tee shirts. My school is a small-ish private school (4,200 people or so) though, so that's no impressive feat.

That being said, I rarely hang out with any particular group. Throughout high school, I was the guy that could fit in with almost every group, and that's been carried on to my college career. I think the key to developing a nicely-sized social circle is to meet a few people from each "clique" on campus. From there, you can meet various people throughout each respective group. This works for fraternities/sororities, student groups, people in dorms, what have you.

Ideal places to meet people are parties, campus events, concerts, etc. where mixing and mingling is acceptable and encouraged.

Maybe someone can build on this, but for me it's really more of an intuitive process.

Ciao,
Rob

[Dragon]

Thought i'd get this topic up as soon as possible and get advice/opinions/help with this since it is important.

I've been at University (studying Computer Engineering) for two and half years now, and the last half year I've been messing with so much pickup/seduction/attraction material that it has really had a great impact on my social life. I entered University as a total AFC (I guess WBAFC would be the correct way to put it), my mind being so messed up by computers/science and conservative beliefs that even finding friends was way too difficult for me (and this still remains like this to an extent).

So ever since I came in contact with all this material, I decided I needed to build more social proof at University, become more active, socialise, even sharpen my pu skills. I'm trying to make a formulae for this, my own set of principles on how to improve your social image at University, which is what I need help with.

First of all, I'm trying to determine whether "University Reputation" (like High School reputation) is an existent thing or not. I've gamed a girl at uni, resulting in a total C&B since I was only learning at that point, and I've been trying to determine whether this has an impact on the way the other girls view you at University or not (not counting the effects from the confidence blow, which are expressed via subtle cues in you).

Also, what I have been thinking about is that in order to project a better social image at university, I needed to be more 'independent'. As an afc I was far too clingy on hanging out with just my (afc) friends, which seemed to have a terrible blow on building a social circle (not to mention the terrible deal of amoging from such clingy behaviour).

Let's make this the University/College thread. I'd like your opinions here... :)

NtinosDJ, I'm not going tell you what to do...nor am I going recommand anything though I could. You already know the answer to your "social proof" problem, you know everything you need to.

I'll propose some questions for you to think about and actually do them, then for the sake of the thread I'll post some stuff from my experience, though its going be more lifestyle than do this in school, talk to these people etc. Since I think once you got it, everything will come naturally to you, counting "game".

How long have you been thinking about this?
How important is this on a scale of 1-10?
What are the top 5 priorities in your life now?
How clear are you on the issue?
Do you have a plan to shift the issue?

Now for me personally I like to float around, in every school I've been to I float from group to group, not having a "core" group, my "core" group is I. I'm the only one who can change the interaction, run it etc. I take full responsiblity if it sucks or not. I'll also coin the term "afc" to me it doesn't matter if I hang with them, I'm still socializing and thier cool people in thier own way once you get to know em. Again note I float around socializing with everyone, nerd, jock, rocker, preppy , hippy, gansta, since I do that I can't be categorized. Now..I do gravitate to certain groups more than others, but I try to talk to everyone at least once during the week.

Also, I'm going give credit to Johnny S. here since when he told me this, I thought ya right..but I'll try it and well it works. Help others, its a motherhood statement but its true, people like people who help. The key here is don't be a doormat and just keep giving, know when to stop. If the person your helping is not improving from your help, just cut them off since they can't be helped. Its like a hobo...you won't give your money because you know hes going not try to help himself, hes just going buy a beer then be stuck in the same place.
Doing this..don't force your help on others either, it'll just piss em off since it looks like a pity act, ask twice. "Hey need some help with that?, "You sure now..I got a couple of minutes and a free pair of hands" if they refuse just leave it as is, but your "innergame" will improve since you know you tried to help somone, its better if you do, but you know at least and you go about the day, but your going get a good instant gratification/validation, not the validation such as approval seeking which is bad. Just from my personal experience this is the fastest way to get popular.

Just for me too, I'm going say me being focused on me, and not so much outer things helped me out alot, I accepted myself, I do the things I like, in doing so I become happy. The way I look at things now is don't expect the world to make yourself happy...give yourself permission to be, since most don't. Happiness is cantagious and will give you that "something" to attract people to talk to you. I'm in the drivers seat and this is the way I want my life. Call me selfish.

To know thyself is a big one, your goals, the people you want to hang with, where you want to be, what you choose to do, what to improve etc. All this all goes into yourself, from that you'll know what you HAVE to do if you dont know already, and go through with it.

I'm breaking the scope more on life than PU in school, but I feel its essential, but everyone's differant. To recap, you make your own happiness, help others who you deem worthy, and know yourself.

Good Luck!

-Dragon

[Dream]

Im not sure what to talk about so Ill rant about my expeiriences.

I go to UCF, its a huge, 50k person university. There are tons of chicks. I sarge, relentlessley. Consequences are almost zero. Chances are its similar at your college, but your exaggerating the level of social consequences you can get from cold approaching.

Be social.

Peacock, people notice you. I wear a cowboy hat the first day of every semester. I had a chick open me at the mall yesterday.

"is your name dream?" (yes, she said dream).
:D , maybe. Who are you?
"oh im x, i was in your summer class. I talked to you for a min once."
:o

I wouldnt worry about your repuation, why? It doesnt fucking matter, just like highschool. Your done in a few short years, live your life and quit being a little panzy.

As a tangent, chicks normally recognize a cold approach. Its a dhv, period. Having a good conversation with someone you dont know in front of a group of 8's is a good way to to boost yourself.

[Godhand]

Two bits of advice....

1) A bad reputation is better than no reputation at all. Even if you crash and burn the majority of the time, that is better than being invisible to women on campus because you are afraid to approach.

2) Join student organizations. They are a good way to meet cool people. Dedication to charitable organizations will also help give you a good reputation.

[NtinosDJ]

How long have you been thinking about this?


Actually, I was mr "social proof" back at school before I screwed my social life totally by clinging on a specific (low value) group, so it's been floating around ever since I got to university and thought it was time to get my social life back on track.
What I was doing back at school was maintaining a friendly, warm attitude towards everybody but not clinging too much on a specific group. I kinda inheritted my brother's social proof (he is 4 years older) back at school, which is not the case here at Univ.

The issue with social proof is not just for the pleasure of it, there is much to gain from this, not only on a short term but on a much longer term. I'll be on the same place for at least another 2,5 years (university is 5 years minimum) + if I want to continue any further at university i'd need to be a lot more recognisable (this matters a lot when it comes to a post-graduate position), apart from the fact that computer engineers are a very limited lobby in Greece (so I'll be likely meeting the same people later on).

How important is this on a scale of 1-10?


I would say an 8/10. I'd like to see this happen. Also, it's a lot related to pickup (i want girls with a social life, not lonewolves).

What are the top 5 priorities in your life now?


1) get a decent girl
2) build a larger social circle (this is heavily related to social proof at uni)
3) get better at pu
4) exams are coming, gotta get through this
5) get my body in shape (extra kilos, weightlifting)

How clear are you on the issue?

Do you have a plan to shift the issue?

Err no, just vague thoughts on what would be good moves...

Two bits of advice....

1) A bad reputation is better than no reputation at all. Even if you crash and burn the majority of the time, that is better than being invisible to women on campus because you are afraid to approach.

2) Join student organizations. They are a good way to meet cool people. Dedication to charitable organizations will also help give you a good reputation.

Heh, I was kinda thinking this on the reputation thing. There is a guy I know at university with an "asshole" reputation. Noone ever seems to say they get along with him, or like him, but he's always around hanging out with people he just met. I don't have to be like him, I could build a much better reputation, but just took the time to notice (since we were at the same club yesterday), they guy creates an impression just with the way he throws himself around.
Most of the guys with good social proof at University seem to have got it out of joining a political organisation (university version of the political party :) ), not by being active as students at university. Same with the guy above, he got his social proof by actively socialising for the student organisation he was working for.
I am already at a student organisation like this, but I'm not an active member. I was thinking that I should upgrade my position, this always comes along with a lot more socialising and projecting a more active image at university.



I go to UCF, its a huge, 50k person university. There are tons of chicks. I sarge, relentlessley. Consequences are almost zero. Chances are its similar at your college, but your exaggerating the level of social consequences you can get from cold approaching.

That's good to hear :)
So, what is better for social proof? Having one girl on a stable basis (errrr specifically for university :D ) or having lots of girls/sarges at uni? I guess the second would be far more interesting and draw a lot more attention, right?

[TheCoolerKing]

Two bits of advice....

1) A bad reputation is better than no reputation at all. Even if you crash and burn the majority of the time, that is better than being invisible to women on campus because you are afraid to approach.

2) Join student organizations. They are a good way to meet cool people. Dedication to charitable organizations will also help give you a good reputation.

Thanks for that.
This is my last semister at my current school before I transfer or leave.

And I'm pulling out all the stops.
I dont care anymore if I do get a bad rep. :cool:

[Yoda]

1) A bad reputation is better than no reputation at all. Even if you crash and burn the majority of the time, that is better than being invisible to women on campus because you are afraid to approach.


This one was rather surprising to me.

[crypticfox]

God I miss school.

I successfully cold approached at school constantly. It was like shooting fish. I didn't realize how good I had it because I had NO follow through. All I would've needed was to add just a tiny bit of A2 type stuff and some solid time-bridging techniques and I could've OWNED Miami University.

Take advantage of the lack of bitch shields while you can. haha

[TheCoolerKing]

What can you do while in class WHILE the professor is talking?


Today in my history of the USSR class I noticed this chick I sat next to was checkin me out.

But I couldnt say anything cause class was in session.

The teacher did pass out the sysballis and on it had internet link of different events.
He asked us what we thought students liked going to the most.
On the sheet he put two links both listed as "Historical documents"

I wanted to say "ummm...historical documents number 2?"
I'm regreting not doing it now.


Would things like that be good to do in class though in the eyes of HBs?

[Charmed]

I'm doing horribly at the moment. My inner game is at a pretty low level, and my social circle is dwindling as I write. I'm trying to address this by bolstering my inner game with affirmations, cutting off bad thought processes, and going out to more parties, but I can't seem to relax enough to be natural for game (I believe in non-routine game). I get worried about the judgement of others, and whether it's ok to say something or not--I also get thoughts that all mASF is just ridiculous, that I don't know anything.
BUT, I'm trying to get over it all, and saying to myself that it's just a bad stage and I should keep pressing on.
I actually don't have anything really to add, or something really constructive to say--I'm putting out my situation and hoping you guys can give me some support.

[Dragon]

I'm doing horribly at the moment. My inner game is at a pretty low level, and my social circle is dwindling as I write. I'm trying to address this by bolstering my inner game with affirmations, cutting off bad thought processes, and going out to more parties, but I can't seem to relax enough to be natural for game (I believe in non-routine game). I get worried about the judgement of others, and whether it's ok to say something or not--I also get thoughts that all mASF is just ridiculous, that I don't know anything.
BUT, I'm trying to get over it all, and saying to myself that it's just a bad stage and I should keep pressing on.
I actually don't have anything really to add, or something really constructive to say--I'm putting out my situation and hoping you guys can give me some support.

Stop looking to us for advice. Trust yourself. You already know what to do. "Thought and action are the jailers of fate, they imprison being base, they are also the angels of freedom, they liberate being noble." You have your choices, take the road you choose.

Best, Dragon

[TheCoolerKing]

Im doing pretty good.

I'm trying to sit next to a girl every class.

And I'm striking up convos and doing some subtile flirting but I can never really close it.

It always gets awkward at the end.

[NtinosDJ]

I'm trying to sit next to a girl every class.

nice point :)

[kidfreedom]

it takes absolutely ZERO rep points to get girls in college. Girls are more open then they will ever be - outside of maybe vacation. I was at a frat party and within 15 minutes I was running that place - I've been here for three weeks and I'm a freshman. I was my own version of the cube, a bunch of routines i've come up with and in general, giving out high-fives, and being aproached by everyone there.

Sometimes a rep can actually hurt you, sometimes its better to be the mysterious guy that know one really knows much about. The outsider.

[shagnscoob]

I'm about to graduate and go to a 5k private school with frats and stuff.

Fraternities-- how can we work around them? I'm sure a lot of frats are not thrilled about having non-frat guys come to their parties and whatnot. Gaming guys in college might be serious business, especially when it comes to meeting people and networking. What's the story here?

I want to be the Vincent Chase at my college. These are some of my ideas...

1.) NETWORKED. I want to know all the people that are going to get me what I want, as in, access to parties, difficult to get school resources, extra time in the weight room, etc etc etc.

2.) PROOFED. I want people to see me and recognize me or have heard about me. I don't want to be mysterious and unapproachable (im intimidating, guys think im a douchebag without meeting me, why?). I want to know LOTS of people and have LOTS of people like me.

3.) SUCCESSFUL. I want to be known as someone intelligent, someone that can take care of business without problems. Someone that people can look to for help and leadership. Someone that can serve others with knowledge and power.

anything I'm missing guys? Notice that none of that has anything specifically dealing with women. That's only a result of those 3.

[Hero]

I propose thundercat's the Art Of Approaching on this one.

He has a section in his book about social circles and how to make friends with no sexual interest.

I don't know a lot about sarging in classes but here is some of the stuff I did to get social proof in uni:

1- I didn't join a club, I started a club. And I literally approached all the HBs in my uni and started C&F convos with them. My opener was giving them a membership form and explaining what the club was about. Then I'd say something like: "ok just put ur contact information over here... U know the real reason I'm doing this is to get chicks' phone numbers right?" do this after she writes her #. She'd laughs, flirts, #close. After that everytime I see them we just chill in the student center.

2-Everytime u see one of ur friends sitting with a group of students u don't know. Give an excited "what's up" to ur friend, then sit in the group and say with a dominant smile "hi, i'm (name)" and hand shake everybody's hands. They'll say their names too. If one of them doesn't, just ask what's her name. Then just chill with the group and DHV with jokes and stories.

3-FACEBOOK!: add all the HBs u've met in ur friend list. Use online sarging tactics there. Make a Cocky Funny profile. Create groups and notes that DHV the shit out of u and ask their opinions about it and start discussions passing their shit tests and A2ing them there. When ur in facebook A3, private message them! Don't write on their wall! she's gonna ASD. Make it discreet with messages, she'll respond. Arrange a meet in uni to a comfort location and continue the sarge from there.

4-Always chill in the student center in ur freetime and meet new ppl. Be FUN AND PLAYFUL DOMINANT!

5- I remember Style saying always approach a set with a slightly higher energy than them. So if she's pissed from a bad grade or something don't go "WAZZZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!". Just have a dominant smile and say "hey chica u ok?" "its allright I'll kick his ass" or shit like that

That's all I can think of right now

[SONICBOObs]

What can you do while in class WHILE the professor is talking?


Today in my history of the USSR class I noticed this chick I sat next to was checkin me out.

But I couldnt say anything cause class was in session.

The teacher did pass out the sysballis and on it had internet link of different events.
He asked us what we thought students liked going to the most.
On the sheet he put two links both listed as "Historical documents"

I wanted to say "ummm...historical documents number 2?"
I'm regreting not doing it now.


Would things like that be good to do in class though in the eyes of HBs?


This is real good question for the 18-21 forum. It'd be great to see this have its own thread.

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As for reputation, Im very memorable but few people are exposed to me. I guess I didnt want to play into the drinking business before and that hindered me. I always went home on the weekends, never gave it a full shot.


Try meeting people early at parties, before everyone's pee-drunk. Could it hurt to ask your friends to introduce you to other friends?


[Oh and for some reason, especially in college, men will be men and it's a great place to pick up alpha qualities. In high school, focusing on just the ladies and typical "game" just worked. But in college, knowing people really boosts your overall happiness. It makes you feel more complete. Most guys in college tend to hang with the men who are men, rather than the seducer.]


I would say "just have fun" because that's easy to say. But practice routines and alpha skills with friends (do NOT try kiss test routines on your friends with sausages.)