Club/Bar fights.

[Monster]

For some odd reason i seem to piss of people (guys) when im at a bar, to the verge where they want to brawl. I ussually just smile it off, and due to loud noise i can't really verbally lay it out.

So im just wondering what others do, when your near brawling or they try amoging you and it backfires on em, getting em pissed off.

[Devious]

Monster-

You shouldn't be getting into fights while sarging, much less near brawls. Give us an example of what you do get yourself in these situations, man.

This is how I handle AMOGS:

I ignore them completely, and continue to run my material. If he talks to me, I ignore him, and maybe give a "cool, man." On the other hand, if he try's to take my set's attention, he can't, because my material is much better than his situational improv.

If they start getting pissed off at you, make it socialy awkward for them. Check out Lovedrop's social violator thread, he has some good stuff in there. On the other hand, if they really are piss drunk and want to fight, just leave.

No set is worth fighting over.

[Monster]

What i do, is just have a great time. I can't really point out what im doing wrong, side from the fact im getting eyes. Maybe i was just talking to the wrong crowd.

Tbh im not a routine guy, eventhough i realise thats the way to optimise. It's just the fact of not naturally being creative and shaking it out of your sleeve that puts me off.

[Odyssey]

If they start getting pissed off at you, make it socialy awkward for them. Check out Lovedrop's social violator thread, he has some good stuff in there. On the other hand, if they really are piss drunk and want to fight, just leave.
true, I used to piss of amog's too. it did not directly affect the way I was in my set but when reading lovedrop's post my eyes opened wide :)

[Cobra]

While there are obviously some people who are just aggressive assholes, if this happens regularly then you are doing something wrong. Without any specific examples it is hard to tell what.

One thing that I can recommend to everybody is some martial arts training. It is not so much about the actual fighting techniques as the confidence you radiate if you have some experience.

If you can always walk away. There is always the risk of somebody pulling a knife, breaking a bottle over your head or having some nasty friends.

Or just do it like this:D :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL_MIZeErzY

[ElDuderino]

Yea. Martial Arts training is really good. It came in useful when i was chatting to a girl who i had a boyfriend and got in my face, this was before I knew about the community and I was really drunk. I was minding my manners asking her a few questions, she seemed happy. Well the guy thought he would AMOG me and score points off my back and started getting in my face then he started so I ended up in a brawl with him and a friend, if it wasn't for the trainig I would have been in real trouble. But because of the training I ended up coming out on top and getting thrown out and that was when a gust of wind would have blew me over.

I'm not saying you should get into fights, but with martial arts you can look after yourself and its a great form of exercise and body conditioning.

EL.

[Monster]

Or just do it like this:D :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL_MIZeErzY

Hahahaha, that's cheap:D

but yeah ive done martial arts TKD for 5+ years , im confident in my ability to trash someone . It's just that i dont want to ruin my night , get stabbed. (which happens way to often these days) nor get jumped by their army of a thousand leprechaun friends . It's sketchy .

[TheCoolerKing]

If you can always walk away. There is always the risk of somebody pulling a knife, breaking a bottle over your head or having some nasty friends.


No matter what you should ALWAYS assume that someone is packing either a knife or a gat.

Its better to be over prepared.


Luckly for me even though I had about 3 years of gung fu (had to stop cause of college...im so out of shape now :( haha) I was able to talk my way out of most fights.
But my advice.

Dont ever tell anyone you know martial arts.
If you do there will always be someone wanting to test you.

I have had people who I thought were friends try to pick fights with me.

[Johnny.Vegas]

Anyone that does Martial Arts should know that getting into a fight is ALWAYS the last option. I've been doing Shotokan Karate, for three years now, but have luckily never had to use it to defend myself or others. And like TheCoolerKing said, if people know you do martial arts, there are always pricks out there who feel like validating themselves by wanting to test you.

I've found the best way to deal with AMOGS is to talk my way out of possible confrontations with them.

[Superfreak]

While there are obviously some people who are just aggressive assholes, if this happens regularly then you are doing something wrong. Without any specific examples it is hard to tell what.

One thing that I can recommend to everybody is some martial arts training. It is not so much about the actual fighting techniques as the confidence you radiate if you have some experience.

If you can always walk away. There is always the risk of somebody pulling a knife, breaking a bottle over your head or having some nasty friends.

Or just do it like this:D :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL_MIZeErzY


I agree you should handle that side of the game. What I have noticed is that with the exception of when I bounced at a hole in the wall strip club. I never get into fights and rarly have anyone get in my face. This is from road house but it applies to pickup: Be nice, be nice, be nice till it is no longer time to be nice.
Thing is though when you know what you are doing or at least competent then it comes across to people and most Billy Bad Asses will think twice about starting something with you in the first place.

Maybe the saying should be Be calm, Be calm, Be calm, in till it is time to not be Calm.

Also I have used Martial Arts info in routines with mostly strippers but with other women as well. Makes a great kino and DHV routine. The way I do this is that I may mention that I used to teach self defense classes to women when I was in the millitary, or to the battered woman's shelter etc... DHV statement

Then if they ask me to show them something, I show them a simple move that is mainly for women to use. This gives kino, futher DHV as an authority teaching her something and if this is in a group set or other people in the club are close watching the demonstartion some social proof. I have had one girl ask if I could come to her sorority sometime and give lessons. After I made her work to covence me a bit I gave in and said I would do it.

Another role Martial Arts gives you is the role of protector. Once you gain confidence in your ablities you non verbally subcommunicate a badboy/protector vibe that can be very attractive to woman.

[crypticfox]

I have the same problem with agressive AMOGs. After a lot of thought, I have associated their agression with the combination of female shit-tests and my disqualifiers. Here is a repost of an entry from my blog regarding this subject:

Another problem I have been experiencing is with AMOGs and Shit-tests. Say I approach a mixed set and open the guys...pretty often, I get a mildly-defensive but somewhat cool response from them. Then I'll start getting shit-tests from the girls mid-opener. OK, so I'll neg or disqualify myself to the target and continue running whatever routine on the guys. But it seems that the shit-tests from the target combined with my disqualifiers somehow pump the AMOGs negativity.

More often than not, after about three shit-tests some kind of threshhold is reached in the AMOG's mind and he'll go from being cool to being not so cool with a statement like "OK dude, take a walk." So in my mind, I think ok now this guy is a threat... be unreactive and plow. So I keep smiling, and keep going. Then he'll give me another stronger reaction "No seriously dude you need to leave."

"Woah man, we're all here to have a good time... so this girl I was dating blah blah blah"

Usually at this point I'll get pushed... not in a friendly excuse me kind of way, but in a it's a push now, but next time you're gunna be hit kind of way.

I politely say "Nice meeting you" to the group and eject.

This happens at least once a week or so. Any thoughts?

[TheCoolerKing]

Right Superfreak.

Be nice until you cant anymore.

AMOG: I'm gonna hit you/I dont like you
You: Oh really? I'm sorry to hear that. Is there anything I can do to change that?
AMOG: ya, I'm gonna kick your ass so hard yo mama is gonna feel it.
You: Look man, I dont want to fight. I just want to enjoy my night without any *BAM*



You always want to hit first.

[Devious]

You always want to hit first.


Don't follow the above advice. If you do, don't be surprised when his 12 drunk friends appear behind you, or if you manage to beat him up, a lawsuit getting filed against you.

Also, you lose the set, and get kicked out of the club. Is this more beneficial than just walking away, and finding an even hotter set.

~d

[TheCoolerKing]

Don't follow the above advice. If you do, don't be surprised when his 12 drunk friends appear behind you, or if you manage to beat him up, a lawsuit getting filed against you.

Also, you lose the set, and get kicked out of the club. Is this more beneficial than just walking away, and finding an even hotter set.

~d

Ya its always better to walk away.

But if you know that its going to be a fight real fast then you better be the first to hit.
Then you can high tail it outta there before his friends even know what happened.

And I rather get thrown out of a club than get knocked out by some dude.
Why?

Cause you never know what could happen to you when ur unconcious.
;)


And lawsuit?!
He pushed you first and you got scared.
So you defended yourself.


As simple as that.

[Superfreak]

Yea I think you misunderstood my post totally, I remain calm, and continue my game but if I feel it getting too tense I will politely end the conversation and exit the set or I will if left no other option I will defend myself.

I was with a girl in a biker bar, its friday night and really I should have known better anyways but they had the best steak in town and they servered it with these garlic mash potatos with an unbelievable gravy. Anyways, So I am with this girl and a drunk 6'2 fairly built guy comes and sits down with us. Anyways this guy for some unknown reason thinks the girl I am with is his little sister. So I let him talk a bit no biggie and his friends come over so I talk them up joking around with them and this guy just keeps on. I know the bar closes in about a half an hour so I make the best of it and continue to run my game and chat up his buddies. Finally its like 10 mins till the bar closes this guy gets up and comes over to me from around the table and gets in my face. When he got up I told the girl to stay calm, stay behind me and head for the door if anything happened and I stood up. Now he is really starting to push my buttons, and he said something I do not remember quite what it was but, I gave him a look and said excuss me. Now if he had thrown a punch I would have had to fight just to move so I could get her out and me to the door. Now what happened was his friends grabed his ass and literally yanked him accross the table. I then exchanged pleasentries with his friends and calmly headed to the door and left.

The reason I am sharing this is to make the point that you should try and remain calm, make sure that you are cool with the rest of the set and that they are the one that crosses the line not you. Buy a round of drinks for the guys what ever it takes to avoid the confrontation.(Be Nice) Either way remain calm. Fighting should be the very last resort when all options are exhausted.

Now in most cases I would have venue changed or left but you should know your enviroment. In that enviroment if I had backed away or showed fear by not remaining calm I would have come off as a little fish in a tank of sharks and I would have been eaten alive. So in that case I made the best of a bad situation. Now if it had came to having to fight I would have done just enough to get him down and I would have backed way towards the door.

Now what I normally do though is game the people that work in the bars and clubs I usually go to often. This will give you more options that do not include having to fight and social proofs you at the same time to the venue.

Bottom line though is you should only fight if there is no other options and it is forced apon you and then only use enogh force to disable your attacker and to get clear of the situation.

In till you get a good feel at reading people, what you should do is to eject yourself from the set. As you gain experience at reading people you will find yourself better able to prevent 99% of these type of issues.

Just say 'It was a pleasure meeting (you/ you guys) and move on to bigger and better sets. Oh, and learn to mind your enviroment. If this type stuff happens a lot to you either rethink your game or move it to a different type venue where you do not run into these issues.

[Dream]

Ya its always better to walk away.

But if you know that its going to be a fight real fast then you better be the first to hit.
Then you can high tail it outta there before his friends even know what happened.

And I rather get thrown out of a club than get knocked out by some dude.
Why?

Cause you never know what could happen to you when ur unconcious.
;)


And lawsuit?!
He pushed you first and you got scared.
So you defended yourself.


As simple as that.

This is trash. If you keep your cool dudes will basically never hit you before you can walk away. Almost every single martial art tells you to NOT hit first.

I dont know what kind of clubs you go to (if any besides the armchair club), but getting thrown out of a club usually entails the bouncers ruffing you up on the way out, then they tell the cops you started some shit and your off in handcuffs.

Your goin to plead self defense using drunk witnesses in a crowded club? Its going to be 10 of his friends saying you sucker punched him and then they helped their friend by beating your ass.

Just please stop talking about the subject CK.

[Godhand]

Avoid seedy venues like dives and biker bars. Most of your random violence happens in these places. I once saw a guy crack a random guy over the head with a bottle and work combinations to his face before he could even stand up to defend himself. The guy that attacked him didn't even know him. They hadn't said a word before that. Stay away from places like that. Also, learn martial arts. I took Wing Chun for quite a few years and it helped me on several occasions. Also, try your hardest not to fight. Ignore the AMOG, verbally disarm him, eject from the set...just do whatever you can to avoid a fight. Getting choked and bumrushed out of the club by bouncers in unmackish indeed.

[TheCoolerKing]

This is trash. If you keep your cool dudes will basically never hit you before you can walk away. Almost every single martial art tells you to NOT hit first.

I dont know what kind of clubs you go to (if any besides the armchair club), but getting thrown out of a club usually entails the bouncers ruffing you up on the way out, then they tell the cops you started some shit and your off in handcuffs.

Your goin to plead self defense using drunk witnesses in a crowded club? Its going to be 10 of his friends saying you sucker punched him and then they helped their friend by beating your ass.

Just please stop talking about the subject CK.

Like godhand stated it does happen.
And sometimes for no reason at all.

You just better be ready with a good COA (course of action) if it does happen.
Cause there wont be much time to make one up when you're on the floor.

You competely misunderstood my post.

[apg96]

sometimes staying come and being passive can make it worse. I have had this happen. Its hard to read the person. BUt if it seems to get to the point where a fight is pretty close to happening. Just tell the set, that your going to have to leave b/c of this guy. Bow out gracefully. BUt try not to submit to the guy. You want to leave the situation and keep you high value.

NEVER, i repeat NEVER hit first. If it comes to some sort of legal action, you hit him first end of story. You do however have the right to defend your self if he hits you first.

Watch for friends. They will usually be cheering him on after he throws the first punch.

[TheCoolerKing]

sometimes staying come and being passive can make it worse. I have had this happen. Its hard to read the person. BUt if it seems to get to the point where a fight is pretty close to happening. Just tell the set, that your going to have to leave b/c of this guy. Bow out gracefully. BUt try not to submit to the guy. You want to leave the situation and keep you high value.

NEVER, i repeat NEVER hit first. If it comes to some sort of legal action, you hit him first end of story. You do however have the right to defend your self if he hits you first.

Watch for friends. They will usually be cheering him on after he throws the first punch.

True but if the amog is bigger than you the judge will take note of that.

My dad once won a court case cause he was the smaller one in the fight.

But again you still didnt understand my post.
I did not say anywhere to SWING first I said that you better HIT first cause then you will have a bigger chance of coming out on top....and alive.
If you wait for him to actually HIT you then you will be already put at a great disadvantage.

I usually eject anywhere from the person before any of this happens.


there is one sure way to not fight:

know you could kick his ass, without a doubt, if you did fight

90% of the guys who try to start shit dont actually want to fight. call him on it. get big and be a man, dont be violent but dont back down.

be assertive, be confident, be a man.

-Rewok

Like what do you say to call him out on him making like he wants to fight without out making him fight?

[apg96]

True but if the amog is bigger than you the judge will take note of that.

My dad once won a court case cause he was the smaller one in the fight.

But again you still didnt understand my post.
I did not say anywhere to SWING first I said that you better HIT first cause then you will have a bigger chance of coming out on top....and alive.
If you wait for him to actually HIT you then you will be already put at a great disadvantage.

You are very right in this. I am a pre-law major and in such i have actually had a police man and a criminal prosecutor that if I (this is only to be based on me) was to see anyone come at me with a reason to harm me, i could not only hit first, but even shot first. That b/c of my size that a reasonable decision in my mind could very well be that he will KILL me if he fights me.

Also i did misunderstand that. All the person opposing you needs to do is to swing. If he misses he still swung showing a threat to you and your persons. Thus you could respond as if he had actually landed the punch.

This will actually happen in a lot of bar fights b/c the person is intoxicated.

[TheCoolerKing]

You are very right in this. I am a pre-law major and in such i have actually had a police man and a criminal prosecutor that if I (this is only to be based on me) was to see anyone come at me with a reason to harm me, i could not only hit first, but even shot first. That b/c of my size that a reasonable decision in my mind could very well be that he will KILL me if he fights me.

Also i did misunderstand that. All the person opposing you needs to do is to swing. If he misses he still swung showing a threat to you and your persons. Thus you could respond as if he had actually landed the punch.

This will actually happen in a lot of bar fights b/c the person is intoxicated.

Luckly enough for us a lot of people punch where as you could see it coming a mile away. :D

[LizardKing]

I read some of Juggler's material and he has a pretty good way to deal with it... I'm a fit but shorter guy, and once in a while some muscly macho loser will get jealous of me gaming set's he's been staring at all night long. These guys usually think they can burst into the set and DHV themselves by threatening/ scaring you to leave and taking your place. Juggler suggests just blowing their ego with an offhand comment like hey man, I think i've seen you before, do you work at the Nurger King on so and so stret?

Guy: Fuck no man, i'm an accountant/ businessman/ pornstar

You: OK man, i believe you, you don't have to prove it to me... (body is always turned away from the guy to indicate disinterest0

Next smile at the girls and ask: do you wanna stick around and talk to this guy (almost always they'll say no). Lead the girls away and leave the guy in your dust.

[dman]

Or just do it like this:D :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL_MIZeErzY
That was a seriously funny clip!

As for the OP, how much do you drink when you go out? You might want to tone that down.