Complete guide to Day 2's

[Utah]

Hey guys,

I haven't posted here in a while but I thought I would share with you guys some of my recent thinkings on Day 2's - I know it is a question that many want adressed, and fortunately its an area that I'm good at!

Most of this you will already be familiar with, but there is a few of myown stuff in there as well.

Phone game:

I won't get into that much here as there is alot of awesome material out there on phone game. Personally, I get better results when I text (or email) them first before calling. Maybe its a cultural thing (as I'm in NZ) but a call is alot more intimidating for people here than a text. In any event, if the girl does not recognise the number she will rarely answer it.

But after you ahve broken the ice with a text or email it is ESSENTIAL that you then call them. Just so they know your not a weirdo.

The Meet:

Try to make dates fun. If the activity is non threatening and non intimidating and seems like a cool activity in itself then it will likely make an AWESOME date. However, for a first meet I break this golden rule and usually meet up for a coffee or a drink (ie really really unintimidating) and then set up a cool date for another time.

Infact, that is the secret to turning day 2's into day 3's (and day4's). I ALWAYS think one date ahead. If I'm meeting them for coffee I will seed another date for later on in the week (say mini golf). At mini golf I will seed another activity (say a house party) etc...

I find it is alot easier to organise a future meet up right there and then, than going through the whole process of calling her again and asking her out again.

The Doctrine of Planned Sponteniety:

Actually this is a world premiere, I haven't told this to anyone, but I swear by it (even if I can't spell sponteniety...it looks wrong above...).

Make dates look spontenious (yeah...definitely spelt wrong) even though you have planned them out all in advance before hand. This is key. Take the following example (is this one of the best, cheap, valentines dates ever?!?!?!). I took my 8 out on Valentines for a drink (I only met her the weekend before so couldn't book anything better) this was at a classy bar, I then suggested that we take off for icecream (this is gold by the way - chicks LOVE this), then we went to minigolf, which even though I knew it was gonna be closed, was fun as we tried to jump the fence and get in for free, then we went to a park just up by where I lived and ent on the flying fox (at night), then we stared up at the stars together...you can guess wht happened next ;-) (actually, you would probably have guessed wrong, we didn't have sex that night - we just hooked up and then we has sex the next time we meet up (that weekend)).

Go back and read that date again. It does everything a good date should...venue changes (which make you feel like you've known each other for a long time), fun, non intimidating or threatening and (for the PUA) cheap ;-)

They are hard to think of when your on the date but easy to think up beforehand! Try it!

Banter:

On dates you are in comfort, but I still think it is vitally important to every now and then throw in a bit of cocky funny or the odd routine. I love the point system on Day 2's. You can also throw in a few pebbles ("breaking up" with her when it is obvious to everyone that she is really into you is another classic - but make sure she knows your kidding).

A cute nickname for her is also GOLD.

As for the other convo always open multiple threads and you should turn the convo sexual somewhere along the line (Mystery's Question Game is the best way to do this). The reason why I do this is it lets her know that I don't shy away from my sexuality but that I'm confident and mature.

Kino:

Generating kino is also ESSENTIAL. Don't do what AFC's do and have no kino at all until the end of the night kiss.

Instead, start slow, but make sure you do it. Even if it is playfully pushing her away from you (this is another one of my favourites), or guiding her through a door (by touching the small of her back). That way when you go in for the kiss it is no big deal.

Actually, there is alot to be said for NOT going in for the kiss on the first date (ie a coffee meet). Keep her guessing and go in on the second date.

Remember that by taking things slow you are speeding things up (ie one step forward two steps back). If you go in too early and get rejected it is alot harder to fix than if you wait and play it cool (this immediately separates you from all the other AFC's) - even if you COULD have kissed her earlier.

Your place:

As for getting her back to your place I always seed something back there. I personally have some awesome pics of when I was in New York at my place and I always tell her on the date "I will show you sometime." At my door I invite her in to have alook at them (but I also tell her I have an early start tomorrow so I will have to kick her out after 10 mins) (straight out of The Game). Easy.

Also, its much easier to get someone into your house at the end of the night if they have been there already. So if they are meeting you at you place run about 2 mins late - and invite them to wait in the hallway in the interim...this makes all the difference - David D your a genius!

Well that about sums it up,

Hope this helps,

And hopefully I haven't forgotten anything...

Questions and comments welcome,

Utah

[Picogiant]

this is awesome! i'm about to try to day2 a girl i met and #closed last night. waiting for long enough to not seem needy etc aside; this stuff is great for planning the right sort of date!

Thankyou, oh day2 guru!

[CrimsonKing]

This is excellent. They say that the game is played in comfort, but I really dont think there is nearly enough material out there for the comfort phase.

I want to add as well that conspiracies and inside jokes can work really well here too.

[-Silver-]

Great post man, I strongly recommend everyone reads this, it's golden! It may seem like common logic, but you're so right when you say that it's a lot easier to think things up before the date than it is in the moment. I'd would even recommend this goes into the archives of classic posts, it gives almost all the info you need to consider when planning a day 2. You got my approval!

-Silver-

[NiteTime78]

Great post Utah. Also Crimsonking, I agree with you a 100%, there's not enough material that focuses on comfort. Most guys just assume that once you've gotten a date or two, things will move along naturally... yeah, right!

I understand you have to practice and calibration are most important, but having a date "templates" or examples with various scenrios would help alot. A person can read from attract to close and begin to get a better understanding of when and how to escalate properly rather than having a list of things to do and not really understanding how to execute them.

For example, I haven't been planning the next meetings ahead of time or arranging them while I'm out with her. I let too much time pass. I did, playful teasing, lots kino and even held hands in the second meeting, but still failed my last 2 kiss tests using Mystery's kiss test. I realize now that all my kiss attempts have been at the end of the date.

Very useful post. I hope to see more posts like this from other experienced members here. Thanks

[Utah]

Wow, thanks for the feedback guys. I'm glad you like it!

There was one point which I did forget (and I can't BELIEVE how I forgot it), but its that YOU have to decide what your going to do on the date.

Always have a plan (even if its someting as simple as meeting somewhere for a drink). Back when I was an AFC I used to commit the ULTIMATE sin which was calling up and saying:
"Hey X, its Utah...the guy you met on saturday night. Wanna do something this week?"
And if they said: "Sure", I would then say: "So...what do you wanna do?"
We would both then spend about 5 minutes racking our brains trying to think of something cool to do.

I know...painful...

So call up and HAVE a plan. If she doesn't want to do something she will say and then you can think up something else to do.

This rule goes for the date as well. When out don't say; "So...what shall we do now?" Say: "I know what we should do...I've got a hankering for some icecream - lets go to that icecream bar."

Hope this helps

[Feynman]

I agree with pretty much all of what you have said Utah. Good advice. Dates should be fun like mini golf (I think bowling works too). Not big on coffee dates, but they are cheap and low risk. As for kino, remember to start early in some fashion. That used to be a sticking point for me. Growing up, I NEVER touched a girl in any fashion whatsoever; maybe I didn't want to invade personal space. Regardless, it was extremely uncomfortable for me to do.

For example, I saw a girl from my gym at the bar. After being introduced by a mutual friend (money, btw), I already had my arm around her as we were talking in the loud environment.

I actually have a D2 tomorrow with another girl from my gym who works at a coffee place. She told me to come by when she's working and I'll get free drinks. Well, I'm pretty sure my first line will be something like "So do you always bribe boys with sugar water to come here, or just the pretty ones". I've done a little C&F previously and it has worked great. We met once and she knows my name, approached me the second time she ever saw me.

Anyhow, sorry to get off topic. Thanks for the D2 advice. It is similar to what I've deduced myself.