Field Report - Questions

[Lost Prophet]

Alright people, not sure what I am trying to achieve by posting this but I guess its a little advice. I'm not usually bothered about things like this as it's a case of 'What if.....' etc

But, last night me and a mate was in a club and went sarging. After entertaining a lass at the bar and opening the odd set around the club he opened a 5 set........ he opened well and kind of isolated his target from the offset. I was winging him and kept the other 4 entertained. 2 of them left to go onto the dance floor while I spoke with 2 others, one of which I was after. I negged her a few times and did some of the playful guessing stuff when she asked about me......... the thing that has got me thinking is that there was some serious IOI's from her. She was playing with her hair all the time and playfully kept hitting my arm etc when I negged her. My friends target then wanted to go to the dance floor so she took the two I was entertaining with her while they asked me to join them.

My mate though said no, later telling me that they will come find us in the club later cos of the way we had played them. Would you agree with this??

We ended up going around again and sarging a few more decent ladies and also talking with friends in general. on the odd trip to the bar I saw the lass I had targetted earlier, jokingly she said 'ah, thats the guy I don't like' and the hit my arm again playfully. We didn't stop and talk though as we was just heading off elsewhere in the club.

Later the night when we was gaming some more sets I noticed the 5 set I mentioned earlier was on the dance floor and the target looked over at me, but then looked away (I was talking with other lasses at the time).

This is the case of 'What if......'. Would I have stood a chance with her even though she saw me doing what I was doing with her to other lasses?

Overall, I would say she was the best looking lass I had spoken with all night and probably the most entertaining (two years younger than me though!) - I would give her an 8

Any advice on my 'skill' would be appreciated lol

Does Style and Mystery post on here by the way? I have got to say after reading 'The Game' and Mysterys 'VAH' I have the utmost respect for these people. They are legends in my eyes and would love the chance to go sarging with them (probably never happen though)!

[jooby]

i KNOW FOR A FACT that this chick wouldve hooked up with u at the club ezy peazy, DEAD obvious I mean if u cant pick up this shit u have 3 main problems

- U think too much and worry too much....stop thinking about what people think of you, stop worrying if the girl will accept your escalation JUST ESCAlate!! If u bomb out BIG FUCKIN DEAL!!! omg she was uncomfortable and ejected...if she doesnt eject revert back to a1 and keep going...stay in set till they r dead or fizzle hardcore.

- you have no self-esteem and confidence. deep down you dont believe you can attract women and are worthy of having one (I had this same problem once)

- you cant read the sub commuications of women (u cant read IOI's but theres other sub comminications)...u basically hav low social intelligence, but dont worry bout that cose this stuff is EZY and can be learnt really really fast with experience.

There are is one key all 3 of these problems. Lots of sets and getting blown out till u dont giva fuk and escalating first and asking questions later.

I used 2 b just like you, with some experience I soon honed my subcomm understanding 2 a fine art and I can tell the vibe of any setting, see IOIs clear as day ect. ect. but by doubting yourself you never learn anything. Always go for escalation even if u think you see IOIs, dont quesiton if you saw them cose thats overthinking...see and act! Once u hook up with a few chicks ull probably start 2 get alittle upurself while secretly still having really low self-esteem buit thats another issue...get a few hookups by FORCING yourself to act on every IOI until u get success. You will feel more confident, learn subcomm from the experience and also learn to care alot less.

Once, this one girl was giving me crazy IOIs and heavy 'playfighting' kino but seemed to be have some wierd distance from me when I isolated her for rapport. She had a boyfriend too I was told, but instead of qualifying before rapport (which is what I shouldve done) and getting more rapport...I was obsessed by kino escalation and wierded out by the barrier thing...I ramped up the kino (thinking that if I caveman her itll break w.e gay barrier she had up, I think it was boyfriend) and got denied even though she was attracted (I was doing a whole bunch of other shit wrong 2 though).This didnt make things awkward for me though, the vibe was still cool after that but it was alittle ' oh..ok then thats weird' ... Yes it was alittle gay (I mean I dont like getting 'shutdown' who does? ), but it DID NOT EFFECT ME INTERNALLY. yes it was the wrong move, and I probably came off alittle chodish, but BECAUSE I TRIED I now KNOW what I did wrong and know 4 a fact that it wasnt on.

How are you meant 2 know where the line is if uve never crossed it? How are you going 2 gauge different girls and different social situations without conducting social experiments that show your YOUR OWN FAILURE in thinking and action. Dont become a caveman freak cose thats just stupid (unless this is your experiment 2 a while) but DONT BE AFRAID to test out your theories/thoughts and to act on the vibes u sense.

[Mkenna]

If you read the MM book and VAH then you should know to always assume that it is on. The fact that she saw you again and looked away while you were other girls only helped your DHV. Once again you failed to follow the MM...the 3 second rule. Also, sounds to me the your wingman may have hurt your cause by blowing-out while you were in A2 with the HB8. However; I'am not sure what MM rule applys to the situation when you are the wingman. I think the rule states that if your wingman opens the set he has the first rights to the target. If he goes nowhere with them then they are open to the wingman. How that applys to an obstacle, I can only assume, is that she is fair game. AFC friends and wingmen can hurt your game if you allow them to. Happy sarging.

[Lost Prophet]

I'm not sure if I am doing right with what I am doing, so I would like some advice

Over the week-end me and the guys got pretty tanked up, headed out and it was an all nighter at one of the clubs, after been in there from about 11 till about 5 I met a lass and took her back to hers, had a bit of fun and then fell asleep with her. woke up the next morning, talked for ages and we got on like a house on fire! Her mate slept in same room and before she left we was talking for probably about 5-6 hours.

Then she went off to see her friends while I headed home and to see my friends, I didnt go back out that week-end although she asked me to as I had to do a lot of driving today. She is going away for 3 months in 11 days on holiday and has said she wants to see me again before she leaves. Problem is she lives in about 2 hours away.

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It seems from my responses to her texts etc I have dug my-self into a hole in which I really want to get out of it as we both seemed to get on so well...........

She texted me a bit last night saying she couldn't come up, she was sorry etc etc but I should definitely go down to see her. I didn't reply till this morning but said that I will message or ring her later about going down as I would need to get the ticket today. I also asked if she would be out all week-end or if she just wanted me to go up anyway (she said last night that I didn't have to stay at my mates place and could stay with her)

She didn't reply but I didn't intend her to as I said I would ring her so I rang her earlier tonight, her phone was off so rang her again an hour + later and it went to her voicemail, left a message asking what she wanted me to do with getting a ticket as I would need to know by tomorrow. No reply as of yet..............

In what way can I crawl out of this hole I have dug myself into??

When I was gaming her the morning after I was negging her and joking with her, she seemed to be well into it all, lots of making out and fun, had some laughs with her mate who was there too and they both invited me out later (had to go though), few texts followed but then ignorance (unless she has a genuine excuse, which I doubt)

I know exactly where I have gone wrong but can any of you recommend anything to bring me back on top bearing in mind I don't really have long to do do it???

Cheers Fellas, Ya have been a great help with the advice

[-Silver-]

First of all, she may well have a reason for not replying yet, and you may get the reply soon. IF it's because she isn't interested in you anymore, then it may be because of two things as far as I can see:

1) She saw the time you spent together as nothing more than a fling. She knew she had this 3 month break coming up, and so wasn't looking for anything serious. She had her fun and now she wants to forget about you, possibly hoping you see it the same way.

2) You came across as too needy. "I also asked if she would be out all week-end or if she just wanted me to go up anyway" - showing you would be willing to make a 2 hour drive to visit this girl you've only just met, regardless of how long you'll be with her for. "so rang her again an hour + later and it went to her voicemail, left a message asking what she wanted me to do with getting a ticket" - not taking control of the situation, leaving her to make decisions, and following up unreplied messages with more messages always looks needy. You should have made her qualify herself, giving you reasons to go up and visit her, rather than spend the weekend with your awesome friends who are desperate for you to go out with them. I understand you needed information from her regarding the trip, but there was no sense of you taking charge of the situation, or getting her to validate herself to you.

What to do! - With long distances between you it makes this difficult, especially as she now has two messages from you that she hasnt replied to yet. Sending a third might make the situation worse if she is put off by your previous ones for seeming 'needy'. Hopefully she will reply to your messages, giving you the information you need. Then you can make her qualify if you feel the vibe slipping between you, demonstrate that you don't need her, you can just as well find someone else that lives closer to you and isn't leaving for the next 3 months. Convey you are worth fighting for, and get her validating herself to you, and trying to convince you that she'll make it worth your while :P But what if she doesn't reply or call you? In that case, try taking a page out of Heartwork's book in my opinion. Originally designed for myspace, but should work fine with text messages: 'Oh you're not playing hard to get with me are you? That might work on the other guys you're after, but personally I don't have time for that shit.' There's absolutely no guarantee that she will reply to this, it's just designed as a last-resort for when the girl ignores two of your messages in a row.

Best of luck buddy!

-Silver-

[Lost Prophet]

Thanks for ya help fella, sounds good

I found out I'm going down anyway to see some people I know (I forgot it was bank holiday week-end) so I might either text her, speak to her or voicemail her going along that line you said with playing hard to get or the Ross Jeffries one I've heard about not appreciating my time being wasted etc etc

If she picks up then great, she gets to hear it then respond and I can work some magic and make her want to take me out as a way to say sorry lol

It's wierd this is, I finished with my most recent ex cos she was actually needy and now I am been polite to this lass she possibly thinks that I am been needy!

Out Friday anyway so I'm going to force some sets upon myself! :)

[HeadUp]

Yo bro, I am pretty new to the scene, but as Silver pointed out-- you are losing the confidence that she will want to chill with you, it seems so counter-intuitive, but in my own limited experience, the more you dangle the string in front of that cat, the more they will want to grab it.

It looks like your fear of rejection or something like that, leading you to keep calling to ensure she is still interested...not that I am at all an expert on the subject, but I have picked up on it myself a few times.

I would say do just that on Friday-- clear your mind of this whole issue and get back to square 1 by hooking up with some more random broads this weekend! Best of luck, and POST PICS haha

[Lost Prophet]

Well.... yesterday took a turn for the better (not with her though), but it gives a few more options!

I called the other lass who I mentioned earlier leaving a great voicemail message! Saying stuff like:

I find beauty common in the places i've travelled to but meeting someone with beauty, a great outlook on life and a great personality are very rare...... the feeling seemed to be from a mutual point of view...... if you can find the reasons yourself to call me back my numbers ........ as it turns out I'm going back down there so you can come along with us to go for a drink

Not worked so far and it was lunch time on Wednesday I left the message so I think I'm going to leave it now. Theres nothing in there now as she would have called back although I have been tempted to leave her an e-mail like 'I'm not sure if your playing hard to get or just ignorning me for no apparent reason but I have no time for this shit! If you want to go out then fine, I will CONSIDER it if I have the time!'

I totally understand the carrot and the stick, this is the first time ive been like this and its fucking wierd. I think its cos we got along sooooo well! I know you would think i've got the 'one-itis' but personally I don't think I have, I like her and want her but if I had 'one-itis' then surely I wouldn't be wanting to meet up with other lasses to give it a go????

BTW, This Game stuff has been brilliant for me! Approaching lasses is so much better, although I am not closing as often as I would like I am really enjoying it! So much more confident than pre-Game! It even seems as though I have been getting a few IOI's in the gym but I don't want to introduce the game into the gym...... Yet anyway!

[HeadUp]

I got a horrible case of one-itis over Valentine's Day, took her out on a wonderful date, but she couldn't get over her ex-bf and my game for her situation was piss poor, so I missed out. Your case doesn't yet seem like one-itis, but it could...just keep doin what you do, if she can't be bothered, its her loss, eh?

[Lost Prophet]

Yeah, its true.... got more backup so its all good lol

Sucks about that mate.... hope ya doing well with it now though......... shes just come on msn but ignorance is the best policy in my situation I guess........... unless she messages me

[Lost Prophet]

My god!!!!!!!!! How have I well and truly fucked up!

She came on msn........... i sent her the message someone wrote earlier about playing hard to get............ she claimed she didnt get any texts or voicemails as her phone has been fucked up :eek:

response 'what are you on about?' followed by been curious bout lack of messages

She said not to be arsy but I said in a joking way its the only reason i could think of

Anyway, now doing some DHV by making her feel bad for not been here on my b'day and said that she MAY be allowed to come along when I'm down at the week-end

Shes saying she will 'see what she can do?' but to me that means a 'no' so done a bit of negging and just asking 'how will you contact me when you decide to go out if your phones broke?'

I may have turned this around yet by some great fluke!! I'll let ya know WHEN I get the girl!

[-Silver-]

Then if her phone really is broken you have nothing to worry about! She did have a legit reason for not replying to your messages after-all. You got this man! Hold the attraction, bring back memories of the time you spent together and get her to recall how much fun that was, and she will still see you in the same light as she did when you first met. You haven't screwed up at all, your reasons for asking why she wasn't replying were completely justified, and you got the reason out of her in a non-needy way. It wasn't 'What's going on? Why aren't you replying to my messages? Was it something I said? like an afc. You showed that it wouldn't matter much at all if she wasn't interested, and that you don't let girls take control of you. You are the prize here, and you're doing great! Run some more attraction if you still feel like you need to close the deal, and make sure you run some comfort. She may not feel completely secure about you going to stay with her for a while if you've only just met, so convince her that you're a good guy. Good luck buddy.

-Silver-

[Lost Prophet]

It didn't end up happening with this one. With her phone been knackered there was no easy way to get in touch with her, I said meet in a place between 10-11 but the place was rammed which I didn't expect so finding her anyway would have been extremely difficult

Messaged her on FB as she has now gone away for the 3 months but not heard nothing back. The line will be slack but I'm going to give it another go and bring back the fun times we had.

For the time being though other Irons are in the fire. It's wierd that now I have no problem at all approaching when out in clubs and for the last few nights (bar last night due to someone else I'm working on been there although and opporunity did arise) I have had kiss closes. Not followed them up though

I'm really enjoying this game stuff but personally I think the one I wanted has gone away for a while!

[-Silver-]

Then look at it this way: You now have 3 months to improve your game and test out methods before your main target returns! This could be a blessing in disguise man.

-Silver-

[Lost Prophet]

Yeah dam right!

So basically in this situation you would just continue as normal when you next get a chance to speak to her??

I have an idea of what Im going to work on improving to get what I want but I think it will be a good challenge due to the distance and the time we haven't seen each other

Until the day comes though it's going to be fun!! :-D