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Planet
09-12-2008, 02:37 PM
Hey everyone,

Went to get coffee this morning and looked over and saw a 7 in her late thirties working on a crossword puzzle. I was kind of indifferent, but she had on really short pants, a good tan, and I noticed she was CHEATING on her crossword puzzle.

So, I go over and call her on it, and I am like, "Dude, give me that puzzle. You can't cheat on it."

So I say I gotta go in a few minutes, and help her out with the puzzle, and the whole time she is deniying that looking at the crossword puzzle answers is cheating. So then we start talking about lying, and I go into "who Lies More, men or women."

So she goes into this big story about how women are so much better liars, because women just speak really abstractly so they can't get caught.

Then I try to DHV a little bit using the Four Statements (three of them true, one false, I identify the false one), which I nailed.

Anyway, the whole time she is smiling and laughing and leaning in toward me, and our legs rub against the table and she doesn't pull away, and little bits of KINO seem to go well. I mean, we are talking like old friends.

Mean time I keep looking up at the clock like I gotta go. And she says she has to go to, but she doesn't make a single move to get up and leave.

I ask her if she likes to go dancing, and she said that she doesn't because she hurt her back. So I say to her, "you should give me your phone number anyway."

So she says, "I don't let people into my life because I might be under constant video surveillance by the insurance company. They don't want to pay my disability. It is all sub-rosa."

So I say, "Cool your scamming the insurance company. High Five." and she gives me a high five.

So I said, I gotta go. Give me your email address.

So instead of saying, "Oh, I don't have a pen, or I don't have any paper, or I don't give my email address to strangers," she goes ahead and writes it down. In fact, she DOUBLE CHECKS to make sure the one she gave me is right, since she says that she just got a new email address.

Ok, so I send her an email a few hours later just asking her how far she got on the crossword puzzle, and she responded right away with this email (I left the spelling and grammar mistakes intact):

I actually have to that I was offended by your statement about scamming the insurance company. If with the impression you are a jerk. Told you I don’t believe in lying. I was a bit annoyed at being interrupted in a place I go to for a relaxed moment out of my day –it’s about the only social interaction I have in my life.

I don’t lie. And you I am aware of the saying “thou thinks thou dost protest too much” and I say – a person with integrity always stands up for the truth, even if it is unkind.

My not wanting to go out with others is a personal choice. As of late I am often in great pain and need to take care of myself. Right now my world is all about me and my health. I don’t have the patience to allow new people into my life.

This all may sound a bit harsh. However, I trust no one whom I don’t already know. I make no apologies for myself or my beliefs.

As for magic spells, I believe God has blessed many with the gift of prophecy and insight. Beyond that – I am indifferent.

Kudos to you for having the confidence to talk to people you don’t know.

Enjoy your day.

Anyway, just wondering what you guys think. I really don't care about her that much (although she is fairly sexy). But if you think it is a shit test, just wondering what you think I should do. I am more interested in PRACTICING for dealing with shit tests than in actually hooking up with this woman.

I just find it funny that there were a lot of IOIs and I didn't pick up a single IOD from her. And I thought it was funny she said, " I was a bit annoyed at being interrupted in a place I go to for a relaxed moment out of my day –it’s about the only social interaction I have in my life.." When her social interaction (before I started talking to her) consisted of doing a crossword puzzle by herself and being oblivious to everyone around.

So, what's your vote; Shit Test or Psycho?

Planet

-Silver-
09-12-2008, 03:37 PM
"...a person with integrity always stands up for the truth, even if it is unkind."

She's given you the ammunition, so use it. And call her on the 'social interaction' part you picked up on:

If it's the truth you respond to, then I honestly believe that people who cut themselves off from the opportunity of meeting new people and making new friends are just making life harder on themselves. I understand not trusting anyone you don't already know, but trust is something that is built over time, not given instantaneously. Making new friends is healthy, and i'd probably say that it's unhealthy to block new people from your life.
I thought we had a great chat today, and if you really didn't enjoy it then that's a shame. But I believe that God has blessed everyone with the chance to interact with others and share our passions.

Kudos to you for the bold reply, but i'm not convinced that's how you really feel.

Either she'll respond positively to it, or she'll just get angry that someone is telling her she's wrong. The only reason she would get angry is because she knows you'd be right. In which case you may get a reply, or you may not. She certainly seems to have her fair share of issues right now.

That's one option. The other is much more ballsy, and involves you strolling down to that coffee shop the same time next day. If it really is 'a place she goes to for a relaxed moment out of her day' then chances are she'll be there again.

I seriously doubt this is a shit-test. If it is, and it's something she runs past all guys, then she's probably a virgin too. I'll bet she has some serious emotional baggage. Not that it's a bad thing, she'll just be a bit more fragile when it comes to trust issues.

Planet
09-12-2008, 04:17 PM
Thanks silver!

I owe you one.

I think I am going to try the email first and see what happens. Will keep you posted.

Planet

lark5000
09-12-2008, 05:03 PM
Silver, nice, you are a god amongst men!

Planet
09-12-2008, 08:10 PM
Hey everyone,

Ok, turns out she IS Psychotic. Oh well.

I basically used the very elegant reply that - Silver - had written. Plus I also mentioned that it was funny that if I had been annoying her, why she talked for me for like 20 minutes, and she was all smiles, and she had given ME her email address, double checking to make sure it was the correct one.

So, this is what she wrote back:
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The fact I didn't retort with some impolite or snide remark is do to the fact I was raised to not be rude to people. I do not treat people whom seem harmless with disrespect.

I am, however, going to ask that you do not continue to contact me. You are offending with your comments.

If this persists I WILL report this as harrasment to the police.
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Anyway, I sent her another email and told here to seek therapy and asked her to stop emailing me back. I actually didn't say it to be rude or anything like that. I sincerely believe that she has a serotonin imbalance or something.

It's funny, because when I started talking with her, the guy at the cash register of the coffee shop had this panicked looking expression on his face. At first, I thought he was just a chode and was worrying that I was going to crash and burn.

Then I remembered that there are halfway houses / long term hotels around the coffee shop, so I think he was actually trying to warn me.

Good luck sarging tonight,

Planet

azazels_wolf
09-13-2008, 12:10 AM
Yeah she seems very unstable.
Plus, if she actually did have an injury, she might be on some heavy-duty meds, which can be bad news too.

Frankly, this sets off my red flags immediately:
I don't let people into my life because I might be under constant video surveillance by the insurance company. They don't want to pay my disability. It is all sub-rosa.
Oh, I don't have a pen, or I don't have any paper, or I don't give my email address to strangers," she goes ahead and writes it down.

I would have just stopped right there. Getting WAY too negative and weird there.

Practice is one thing.... dragging really fucked up people into your life is another. Stay away, it's not worth the problems.

Planet
09-13-2008, 01:22 AM
hey there, azazels_wolf:

Thanks for your confirmation. Yeah, the meds are what worry me. I mean, for back surgery they usually give you opiates, I guess.

You know, it's just weird. I am still working on the opening stages of my game, and I am opening singles and sets pretty easily now, and I am actually getting lots of phone numbers and email addresses, but it is like EVERYONE has a boyfriend or is psycho.

I mean, when you say to a girl, "you and I should hang out / hook up" and she eagerly writes down her number or email, you would think she would know that are gonna try and set up a date, right? I mean, why not just write down a fake number or something, or just say "oh, give me your number and I will call you,"?

Maybe I am dong something wrong.

Planet

-Silver-
09-13-2008, 03:06 AM
"Maybe I am dong something wrong."

Don't worry, you're not doing anything wrong! If you're getting all those consistent results then that's proof enough that you're right on track. Life just throws an eccentric your way every now and again, just to spice it up I guess :p
One good thing that could come from this (asides from the obvious extra practice you got out of it) is an awesome DHV story. "I had this batshit insane experience with a crazy lady the other day!" - Could be worth a few giggles here and there.

-Silver-

azazels_wolf
09-13-2008, 04:20 AM
hey there, azazels_wolf:

Thanks for your confirmation. Yeah, the meds are what worry me. I mean, for back surgery they usually give you opiates, I guess.

You know, it's just weird. I am still working on the opening stages of my game, and I am opening singles and sets pretty easily now, and I am actually getting lots of phone numbers and email addresses, but it is like EVERYONE has a boyfriend or is psycho.

I mean, when you say to a girl, "you and I should hang out / hook up" and she eagerly writes down her number or email, you would think she would know that are gonna try and set up a date, right? I mean, why not just write down a fake number or something, or just say "oh, give me your number and I will call you,"?

Maybe I am dong something wrong.

Planet


This thread might help you out with that:

Securing Your Day 2s
http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10494

Planet
09-13-2008, 03:08 PM
Thank you, azazels_wolf:

I will read through that reply. I really appreciate you pointing it out to me.

Planet

Planet
09-13-2008, 03:13 PM
Hey ya, - Silver -

Thanks for the input.
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"I had this batshit insane experience with a crazy lady the other day!" - Could be worth a few giggles here and there.
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I gotta ask; You would really do that?

I just worry that it might seem like a DLV instead. How would you bring it up so that it comes off as a DHV?

Thanks in advance.

Also, I am going to start another thread in the "What Do I Do" forum about being perceived as gay, because I am starting to worry about that. If you get a chance, please drop by and let me know what you think.

Planet

-Silver-
09-14-2008, 04:40 AM
"I just worry that it might seem like a DLV instead. How would you bring it up so that it comes off as a DHV?"

There's always the issue of being 'politically correct' I know. I could start ranting about how messed up this issue is, but then it would probably lead to politics in general, and then on to how messed up religion is... but then it would take your family several generations to get to the bottom of the post when I finally answer your question.

Essentially it all depends on the way you tell it, and the current atmosphere. Just don't go into this story if someone from the group has just spun a sympathy story about their disabled little brother for example. It can easily be used to convey that you're an outgoing guy who enjoys interacting with people. The fact that you had a fun conversation with her conveys that you're good company, and then you can inject humour into the story with her email response. Just highlighte how scared you were at the time :p
Despite the mantra of always having to appear alpha, afraid of no-one, it's actually a sign of self-confidence to be able to joke about yourself. "I mean, WTF!? It was like being in a horror movie, where the protagonist meets the murderer who's a good guy during the day, and a guy with some serious issues during the night. Yeah I made damn sure I locked my windows that night, and got my pet rabbit to check the closet and under the bed." Exaggerate the idea of being scared by her (so the group knows your exaggerating) and make good use of the guy at the cash register you mentioned. It's always good to mention something at the start of a story that you can return to at the end: "This guy at the cash register was giving me this weird look when I walked over to her. I assumed he thought I was going to chat her up and get her coffee in my face or something. But that's not what happened! ... blah-de-blah-blah... "Finally I understood what the guy being the cash register was giving me a weird look for! Shame I didn't pick up on it. Hmm, I guess I owe him a hug for that."

Emphasize the parts people want to hear, make sure they laugh, and you can make the most boring stories interesting. But one that shows you clearly meet a lot of people in your life, even crazy people, is one i'd keep hold of. It certainly won't be a DLV on the basis that you didn't end up getting the girl. You had an awesome conversation with her, you walked away with her email address, and then she turned out to be completely different to what you expected! You were the one who backpeddled, not her!

-Silver-

Planet
09-14-2008, 10:51 AM
Holy Fuck, -Silver -

That's some good shit! You should definitely be a writer.

You don't work in television or something like that do you?

Thanks again for the advice. The idea about how to use the cashier behind the counter in the story is fucking brilliant!!! And the pet rabbit - too fucking funny!

Planet

puppy
09-14-2008, 11:51 AM
stay away from the woman, she has too many problems. scamming insurance company=can't trust her. Late 30's= all downhill from there. move on she has some baggage and social problems. and she is not a 9 or 10. move on

Planet
09-14-2008, 03:00 PM
Hey there, Puppy:

Thanks for the word of advice.

Unfortunately, I am 44 years old, so maybe I am a little reluctant / anxious about approaching younger / hotter women?

I did get the email of a an early twenties HB9 who is also a hired gun at a well respected bar / steak house. Got to see about getting back in touch with her.

Planet

Fervour
09-15-2008, 11:50 PM
Jeez, what a hard email. And what a fucking freaky bitch.

If I'd read this earlier I would have said if she was 100% into you she wouldn't have said all of that crap. I think she liked you, but seems to think she needs to make a point and give you one hell of a big shit test to see if you'd run.

What I would have advised is to not really answer any of her statements in her email. To have said in reply something like:

"It was not my intention to offend you. I apologise for nothing, but wish you hadn't felt that way, because I certainly didn't intend you to. All I can guarantee with me is a good conversation. If you enjoyed our coffee, as I know I did, I'd like to do it again."

puppy
09-22-2008, 08:32 AM
if they are psycho at the beginning pick another fish, if they are psycho later pick another fish. psycho bitches lead to...revenge, law suits, physical attacks, just show up at your house unexpectadly. run do not walk away in the other direction