How to reconcile Mystery's poor performance on MoM w/ his Reputation?

[Ril]

So I've read many of the Mind of Mystery reviews, and I have to say, it's made me lose some confidence in the genuineness of the whole thing; the method, the expertise of Mystery, Matador, etce

I'm wondering how you guys are reconciling in your heads what appears to be a pretty shoddy performance on the MoM videos with other things you know about Mystery and the true legitimacy of the whole Venusian Arts mindset and principles


I have my own ideas, ranging from "everyone has a bad day and sometimes things aren't put together well" all the way to "well there is a monetary motive involved here and, they're willing to exaggerate and create illusions for men as they do for women"

[Kahuna Cowboy]

The information in MoM is not the problem, it is the presentation, price, and shady tactics overall.

First I will address the presentation, it is in it's overall form it is essentially highlights of a seminar, poor infield footage, a really good and lengthy audio lesson from Lovedrop, and a weekend sit in discussing game, as well as demoing with paid models at an apartment where obvious vices and illegal habits are in full effect but nothing worse than smoking shown. This leads into.....

Shady tactics, it is essentially a CD set audio lesson and no more than a 6 - 7 DVD course s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d out to fill umpteen DVD's. For instance many of the DVD's are no longer than 30 minutes. This makes MoM appear to be something it is clearly not and to inflate..........

The price. Which was way over the top and promoted piracy. There are so many of the reviews I have read where brazen members came out and just said they were going to torrent it or buy cheap CD downloads off of Ebay.


How do I justify it? Well I know the method works so I don't think it is all bullshit if that is what you are wanting to hear. I just think this product was poor for the reasons stated above, I think Mike Long is as much to blame here as Mystery and crew are for their poor performance for the DVD parts of MoM.

For Mike Long he is guilty of shady marketing practices "Holy Grail, Magnum Opus" etc..., email spamming, the production of MoM, stretching MoM to appear something it is not, price setting, and overall selling of this course.

For Mystery and Crew, they are guilty of being completely inebriated (in some instances almost to the point of unintelligible) when they know they were going to be filmed for instructing on a DVD course. i.e. nowhere near their very best for teaching "paid for" information.

VA's bootcamps are supposed to be top notch (I have not experienced one yet but plan to when they are in my area next), VA's videos online are pretty good, their ebook is great, the new Mystery Method book is very good, and The Project Hollywood Formula DVD set is good as well, they were bound to have a crappy project eventually, MoM was it.

[Ril]

Thanks for the reply. My main concern is that in the infield footage, Mystery and Matador are supposedly pretty bad...

Now, everyone has bad days and what not, and I can even allow for the combination of bad days + a bad day at the shoot, but it still makes me wonder a bit.

[BishopDon]

keep your DVD's down to 4 or 5 of your best quality stuff, not you sitting around on the couch with some girls and talking about your ideas. I can read all that stuff on ASF.


RSD material > MoM without a doubt. And I'm not a fanboy for either.

[Pulse]

Having gone out with Mystery and crew on numerous occasions and teaching with them at times (both pre vh1 and post), I can tell you that MoM was not at all a fair representation of even Mystery on an off night. I've actually never seen Mystery come close to performing as bad as he did on those DVD's.

What happened? They didn't allocate enough time to film. If you go out and try to get everything in one or two nights, you just are not going to get a lot of quality footage. It takes time to get footage that doesn't have problems with it (walking out of view, people in the way, audio... etc).

That was Mike Long's call... along with everything else about MoM. As far as anyone considering buying a product, Mind of Mystery should not be considered something that Venusian Arts is associated with... because they weren't. Venusian Arts has a much higher standard for product quality. Check out the reviews section on their bootcamps.

[Decibel]

Eh, don't spend too much time with the MoM infield stuff. It wasn't that useful. The didactics are where it's at with MoM. A bunch of us have seen Mystery in field, and can vouch for his skills.

[-TruTh-]

By listening to guys like decibel

[Ril]

Cool, I'm glad to hear it :)

[-TruTh-]

Oh well only real way to get good is to sarge.

[Killer]

Yeah, watching sports on TV doesn't make you good, does it? You can watch Muhammad Ali fight over and over again, and while many things will come to you in training, you still have to train to be good. But, honestly the best training is feeling what its like to get cracked in the face with a direct shot. So when you go out and F up, thats really where the learning is at.

[Kahuna Cowboy]

As far as anyone considering buying a product, Mind of Mystery should not be considered something that Venusian Arts is associated with... because they weren't.

How do you figure? It was them on the footage, not Mike Long. Does VA not use Mike Long and for all their video materials sales of this sort? Am I missing something in the relationship between VA and A51L?

[Limelight]

Of course they're Venusian Arts is associated with MoM. They chose Mike Long and they saw the footage before it was sent out(don't tell me they couldn't have stopped it if they wanted to). they even filmed it(Kosmo anyone?)

A brand is only worth its reputation and well MoM didn't do any good. Just look at all the RSD Products. Now that's quality!

[Pulse]

How do you figure? It was them on the footage, not Mike Long. Does VA not use Mike Long and for all their video materials sales of this sort? Am I missing something in the relationship between VA and A51L?

Mike Long handled everything about the product. Notice how it was released under Area 51 Lifestyle... and isn't even sold on the venusian arts site.



Of course they're Venusian Arts is associated with MoM. They chose Mike Long and they saw the footage before it was sent out(don't tell me they couldn't have stopped it if they wanted to). they even filmed it(Kosmo anyone?)

Once you sign a contract with someone, you can't just all of the sudden decide you don't want to abide by it anymore.

[Kahuna Cowboy]

Mike Long handled everything about the product. Notice how it was released under Area 51 Lifestyle... and isn't even sold on the venusian arts site.

There are no products sold at the VA site, the VA site deals purely with boot camps. All videos, even the free ones, are hosted and released by A51L. A51L also seems to be responsible in general promotion of Mystery and the rest of the VA with his all too frequent email blasts. I speculate that all video materials are being produced, marketed, promoted, and sold by Mike Long and Area 51 Lifestyle as that is what he has been contracted for by Mystery and the VA. If that is the case then Mystery should have full control over content and QA of final product before Mike Long works his magic in sales. I cannot believe Mystery would enter into another partnership after MM and relinquish the right to have final say in the products A51L sells. Do you have reason to believe otherwise?

[dman]

Having gone out with Mystery and crew on numerous occasions and teaching with them at times (both pre vh1 and post), I can tell you that MoM was not at all a fair representation of even Mystery on an off night. I've actually never seen Mystery come close to performing as bad as he did on those DVD's.

What happened? They didn't allocate enough time to film. If you go out and try to get everything in one or two nights, you just are not going to get a lot of quality footage. It takes time to get footage that doesn't have problems with it (walking out of view, people in the way, audio... etc).

That was Mike Long's call... along with everything else about MoM. As far as anyone considering buying a product, Mind of Mystery should not be considered something that Venusian Arts is associated with... because they weren't. Venusian Arts has a much higher standard for product quality. Check out the reviews section on their bootcamps.
what was with mike long anyway?

still involved? what is happening now?

little sad really for mystery, he should be doing even better

[Pulse]

As I was saying,

VA is not associated with Mike Long and Area51.

http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2008/05/05/venusian-arts-and-mystery-not-affiliated-with-area51lifestyle/

[BishopDon]

you mean 'no longer affiliated' and funny how that works. After months and months of the product being out they decide they are no longer interested in working with Area51 because they felt the product was bad - well they put out the product. If it received good reviews I wonder if they wouldve dropped their affiliation? High unlikely.

And Project Hollywood isn't much better in terms of content

[Jens]

they are still putting out videos and stuff with mystery and others associated with him on area51lifestyle, unless im mistaken?

[dman]

they are still putting out videos and stuff with mystery and others associated with him on area51lifestyle, unless im mistaken?
not with mystery's permission I believe